New Obama Bombshell

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jbushart

The views expressed by Obama in this interview are not unique to him, nor are they advocating Socialism. Taken out of context as they are, they can certainly be made to appear that way.

If you listended to the whole thing, you would see that it is NOT "out-of-context". Maybe it is because I live in Illinois and have been listening to Obama, complete and in context, for years that this is clear.

Instead, it addresses the issue of Civil Rights and how limiting the actions to the courts did little to address the important issues.

Obama was saying that, as PART of the civil rights "movement" that the idea of "redistribution" or wealth was not addressed, as it should have been. Resdistribution of weath (Freom each, according to their ability, to each, according to their needs) is straight from Marx and Engles. It is socialism.

Read the article.

For me to say to you "Now, you are free to be a doctor if you want to be. Go be a doctor." does not solve anything.

Lincoln's original plan was for the freed slave to be shipped to Liberia where he did not have to compete and try to survive in a culture where the cards were stacked against him.

I am very well read in history and have never seen any evidence of this. Do you have a source or two, Jim? In any case, Lincoln dod not do this and, in the 50s and 60s, this lead to the "civil rights movement" which was the context Obama was speaking about.

Obama was discussing a situation that developed from a poorly planned strategy that, today, still remains to be an important issue facing all of us that remains to be unanswered...in terms of real dollars and sense.

No real issue here, other than the history of liberalism, specifically LBJ and his "Great Society" which enshrined the welfare state and retarded the maturity of Blacks, economically, in the U.S. The disintigration of the Black family, increased illegitamcy, increased crime, the Black Ghetto and the rise of Black Liberation Theology can all be traced back to the "Great Society" programs.

Now, (actually, then) Obama was saying that the problem came from too little socialism and the Supreme Court not imposing socialism. He states that it shluld be done by the legislature. With him as President and with a veto proof Congress, I believe that he will work hard towards bringing this about.

And one in place, entitlements are almost imposible to remove.

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

Conceptual vs. Practical ( Application )

In a local restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie; I laughed as he had given away his political preference.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application .

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Conceptual vs. Practical ( Application )

In a local restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie; I laughed as he had given away his political preference.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application .

Great idea Doug,

I think I will start asking wait staff their political preference or how they voted and teach a few here a rather painful object lesson.

Maybe when it gets personal they will "get it".

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Much better spin, NOT.

Q1). How is this Obama's fault?

Q2). How will McCain fix it?

Tremendous problems arise when a campaign does not understand what the people want and who their opponent is. Eight days & counting... tick, tick, tick.

Q1) Let me put this differently for you. The video was Obama which at that time was a lawmaker in Illinois (part of the problem not the solution). His agenda has been and still is to have a Socialist union. It just floors me that you can't see that Joe.
Q2) If McCain raises taxes in a slowing economy do you think this is a good thing? Put differently, when Obama raises taxes, is it a good thing for the economy? I think McCain's idea is Pro-Growth. The second way he will fix it is simple. Don't establish a Socialist agenda.

If 95% of the people get tax cuts and 40-45% already pay no taxes what happens? My answer is simply the 40-45% will now pay no taxes and receive money back anyway. I have two kids to take care of and I don't need more. I donate plenty and am offended when I am forced to. I do it from the heart, not because the government says I have to. Its my money and I don't want to give it to the very people you have to go seek out and register to vote. This tells me they are not that motivated to do better for their selves in the first place and have come to expect me to pay for them.

[William J. Decker]

I would say that the server did not "earn" the tip. He "earned" his hourly wage, but the tip was a largesse given at your discression.

But, as with all forms of entitlement, the server has become so expectant and dependant upon tips that he percieved it as his due, even though it was not.

In the same way, poor blacks have a perception that welfare and affirmative action and give aways, all bolstered by welfare pimps like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Edward Kennedy, are something that they are entitled to. Obama has made clear that he has a whole new set of things that he believes are "rights" (like free health care, a living wage (even for those who do not work) and free, government paid for abortion) and that he is going to work hard for.

The government that governs best, governs least.

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

I need to clarify that I did not do this (yet), my brother sent it to me and he would and rub their noses in it while doing it. I was going to start doing it but could not find anyone who was for Obama either working or willing to admit it. Obama supporters here are as scarce as hen's teeth.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by wdecker

In the same way, poor blacks have a perception that welfare and affirmative action and give aways, all bolstered by welfare pimps like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Edward Kennedy, are something that they are entitled to. Obama has made clear that he has a whole new set of things that he believes are "rights" (like free health care, a living wage (even for those who do not work) and free, government paid for abortion) and that he is going to work hard for.

The government that governs best, governs least.

If memory serves there ar more poor whites on welfare than poor blacks.

However, a much higher percentage of blacks are on welfare than whites.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

James, do you believe "reparations" are in order?

I believe that reparations are about five generations too late in coming.

We now live with a social problem and destructive subculture that our previous governments created be neglecting the issue of what to do with the millions of persons it rendered homeless and jobless...once emancipating them.

This is what Obama is referring to. The repercussions of this are being felt in many large urban populations throughout the country. It is easier to ignore in some areas more than others...but ignoring it does not make it go away.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I believe that reparations are about five generations too late in coming.

We now live with a social problem and destructive subculture that our previous governments created be neglecting the issue of what to do with the millions of persons it rendered homeless and jobless...once emancipating them.

This is what Obama is referring to. The repercussions of this are being felt in many large urban populations throughout the country. It is easier to ignore in some areas more than others...but ignoring it does not make it go away.

There were reparation following the civil war. One can argue if they were enough or if they were paid but that argument is with citizens long dead and does not absolve from responsibility those who have failed to take advantage of the opportunity that exists in this country.

You have to look no further than more recent immigrant populations who within a relatively short time of their arrival made it in America.

Does it bother you that much of the subculture and sense of entitlement that was created, happened as a result of The Great Society programs of LBJ?

Also, I can think of no race that has more poorly served by their leadership than black America.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Conceptual vs. Practical ( Application )

In a local restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie; I laughed as he had given away his political preference.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application .

Brilliant! I'll conduct a similar "experiment" on my kids if they ponder that liberal nonsense before they become adults.

[Michael Larson]

This should be interesting.

Rush Limbaugh, while reacting to this Obama tape called Obama's views Anti-American.

Let's see if the press and the Democratic party has the courage to go after Rush in the same manner as they are doing with Michelle Bachman who is a congresswoman in my neigboring state of Minnesota for her comments saying the same thing last week during an interview with Chris Mathews.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

This should be interesting.

Rush Limbaugh, while reacting to this Obama tape called Obama's views Anti-American.

Let's see if the press and the Democratic party has the courage to go after Rush in the same manner as they are doing with Michelle Bachman who is a congresswoman in my neigboring state of Minnesota for her comments saying the same thing last week during an interview with Chris Mathews.

LOL

Rush has done enough to discredit himself as being anything close to an "objective newsman" for anyone to seriously consider.

Did you see Brokaw embarass McCain Sunday with the tape of a Limbaugh rant over Powell's endorsement of Obama having only to do with "race"? Poor McCain looked like he wanted to slide out of his chair.

No one with any credibility seriously considers...or even dares to refer to...Rush Limbaugh anymore, unless it is to draw a laugh or a smile.

[Michael Larson]

Smile away James.

The "progressive" defenders are already on it.

and

Obama advisor pushes back on 'redistribution'

[klott]

We don't owe them anything, allof the blood that was shed to free them was more than enough payment. They had the chance to go back to Africa, and some did, however if you look at Liberia now, you will see nothing but outright barbarism going on, people cutting each other to pieces with Machetes. The real kicker is the reason for the violence, the blacks that went back, enslaved the native tribes. Ironic hunh?

[klott]

I guess JB thinks we should pay the Japenese for using the A-Bomb on them too!