News Flash: Shootings at Fort Hood

[klott]

Originally Posted by rbrady

To me, it's pretty sad that so many people will now take it out on any and all Muslims. When all Muslims have to be afraid to walk down the street alone - that is a real shame. This country is supposed to be better than that. What would Jesus do?

It is the muslims fault and no one elses. The real shame is when all innocent people are afraid to walk down the street because of radical muslims in America...we used to be better than that!

[klott]

Here is the difference between christians and a muslims.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Anyone who kills 13 people and injures multiple others is not sane plain and simple. Call him what you want. The man was distressed and extremely angry at the government for not releasing him from duty and for assigning him to IRAQ. So instead of handling the stress he simply planned out a crazy attack just like you said and killed innocent men and women. Anyone who commits acts like this is mentally ill to some extent or has severe problems within themself. I've studied this for years. My mother was killed in the same fashion when I was 16 on a much smaller scale of course. The man who took her life had many problems and couldn't handle the pressure any longer so he did exactly as the Major and decided if he's going he might as well take someone with him.

There is a difference between crazy and evil. In my opinion, this guy, as are all the others who expolde themselves, and their children to kill other, innocent people, as well as beat their wives and kill their own children for disobaying them, are just plain evil.

Guess we will have to wait for him to recover so that we can better find out.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by wdecker

There is a difference between crazy and evil. In my opinion, this guy, as are all the others who expolde themselves, and their children to kill other, innocent people, as well as beat their wives and kill their own children for disobaying them, are just plain evil.

Guess we will have to wait for him to recover so that we can better find out.

IMO I think people like this is both Evil and Crazy. Yes there is a difference however you can be both at the same time.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by bboerner

IMO I think people like this is both Evil and Crazy. Yes there is a difference however you can be both at the same time.

I disagree. Crazy (i.e., mentally imbalanced, legally insane) people are usually out of touch with reality. As such, they have a very hard time functioning. Maj. Hasan's actions, for years, displayed functionality and a grasp of reality. Reports have him giving away his furniture and Qu'rans the morning before the shooting and some of his fellow physicians, at Walter Reed, state that he had made many comments supporting the Jihadists, in the years and months before the attack. He also finished his residency in Psychiatry months before he was assigned to Fort Hood. An insane person would not be able to do this and his actions display determination and mental functionality.

Evil people are people who know the difference between right and wrong and, purposely and with forethough, choose to be evil and do evil things. Hitler was very functional (up until the end, I would qualify) and planned brilliant military campaigns. Stalin, while a touch paranoid, perhaps, was filly functional. Maj. Hasan was acting sane and rational right up to the time he started shooting.

Some people have a problem in accepting the concept of evil. They would like to believe that people are, basically, good and that there is no such thing as Evil, only sliding scales of good. I contend that there is such a thing as evil. The popular misconception is that if people do really evil things (such as these shootings) that they did so because the were misunderstood, harrassed (which puts lie to Hasan's familys claim. Soldiers don't harrass officers.) or just plain snap. This misconception makes them feel better and allows them the fiction that there is no such thing as Evil.

So, watch for a legal defense of legally insane or temporarily insane or some such drivel. Bet $100 that he does not get executed. I will also bet that they work to have him tried in civil court, as opposed to under the UCMJ, which is where he should be court martialed.

Just my opinion.

[Joseph A. Ferry]

This piece of sh*t is not insane. The liberal media, led by The One, is bending over backwards not to offend Muslims.

If this sh*t were a fundamentalist Christian, that would be the lead meme in explaining his behavior. But because he is in a protected class, all manner of wacko theories are being floated to explain why a US Army field grade officer would suddenly start offing his colleagues. The most disgusting of these theories is PTSD. Yes, this piece of sh*t, who never experienced anything more traumatic than incurring a late fee at the video store is being touted as a PTSD victim because he treated people who actually suffer from this syndrome.

You can't beat liberals and the liberal media for making excuses for our enemies.

[Billy Boerner]

Again anyone who kills is not all there plain and simple. He knew right from wrong I'm sure however IMO no one can kill someone without having some kind of underlaying issues.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Again anyone who kills is not all there plain and simple. He knew right from wrong I'm sure however IMO no one can kill someone without having some kind of underlaying issues.

Billy, I would clarify your wordings. Definitions are important.

Killing of a person is just killing, and can be done without the killer being unbalanced or upset. Soldiers kill, in combat, all the time. I have done this, both in combat and, once, in self-defense against 2 assailants.

Murder is the killing of an innocent. This is a crime, whether done during war or in civilian life. I do not believe that all murders are insane or, somehow, mentally imbalanced. They, logically and with malace aforethought, kill another innocent person.

(And don't start any illogical crap about those killed, in this case, were soldiers and, therefore, were not innocent, as I heard on Air America, today!. Soldiers do NOT kill their own. The violate their oaths and the UCMJ and their honor if they do so.)

This was murder. The motivation was Maj. Hasan's desire to keep these troops from deploying to Afhganistan and waging war on fellow Muslims. This is what Maj. Hasan wrote, in many blog postings and what he said to a number of people. This is why, during the shooting, many heard him shouting "Allah Akbar", which is what many of these terrorists do, according to witnesses.

To believe otherwise is to, purposely, put moral blinders on your eyes.

[George A. H. Luck]

Wow ! Will ! You listen to 'Air America'?
So you're the one !!

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by gluck

Wow ! Will ! You listen to 'Air America'?
So you're the one !!

Sometimes. I also listen to Rush and Hewitt. I try to be fair and balanced and listen to all sides opinions.

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with Terrorists
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
Nov. 9, 2009 —


U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hassan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was there.



The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI, Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Army Chief of Staff
A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that came out in just about everything he did at the University.

Finell said he and other Army doctors complained to superiors about Hasan's statements.

"And we questioned how somebody could take an oath of office&be an officer in the military and swear allegiance to the constitution and to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic and have that type of conflict," Finell told ABC News.

The Army Chief of Staff, General George Casey, raised concerns over the weekend that innocent Muslim soldiers could suffer as a result of the shooting at Fort Hood.

"I think the speculation (on Hasan's Islamic roots) could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers," he said on ABC's "This Week."

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[Joseph A. Ferry]

"Going Muslim" is the new "going postal".

[John McKenna]

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/08/for...radarajan.html

[John McKenna]

Going Muslim is in fashion now a days.

[Michael R. Boyett]

Actually, I hear this is the look for next Spring in the Muslim community: