NH meeting

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Are you livid, John?

Nah. Not worth it. I'm having fun, and just getting started.

I will admit to being disturbed at reading statements based on untruths, lies, and deceit, or conjecture and assumptions. Statements made on these basis are not fair to those NH members that are reading this board, but also to other guests who may be monitoring this.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Nah. Not worth it. I'm having fun, and just getting started.

I will admit to being disturbed at reading statements based on untruths, lies, and deceit, or conjecture and assumptions. Statements made on these basis are not fair to those NH members that are reading this board, but also to other guests who may be monitoring this.

Perhaps you can list the lies, since you refuse to let us in on the truths.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Perhaps you can list the lies, since you refuse to let us in on the truths.

Well lets reverse that. Perhaps you can tell me what truths I have refused you.

Come on Jim, you can do better than that. What is your motive in this. To discredit me or my position? Ths shows me that your are truly aligned with those that do in fact have vindictive motives.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Tell me why is there a bill being drafted if the intention is to defeat it..

I am not speaking for Frank, but I can tell you that to present alternative legislation is a strategy that does not necessarily accept the inevitability of licensing.

They know what they are doing and why and I am certain that they are sharing this information with all whom they trust with their best interests.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I am not speaking for Frank, but I can tell you that to present alternative legislation is a strategy that does not necessarily accept the inevitability of licensing.

They know what they are doing and why and I am certain that they are sharing this information with all whom they trust with their best interests.

What fairy tale did you read that out of.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

What is your motive in this. To discredit me or my position?

Absolutely not, John. You and your position, and the strength of the NACHI membership behind it, is the strength of the association - once it takes a position on the issue.

What is NACHI's position on this issue, damn it? Just tell us.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

What fairy tale did you read that out of.

Let loose of your prejudices regarding Frank, John, and deal with the issue. Issues, not personalities, are what we should be addressing here.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Let loose of your prejudices regarding Frank, John, and deal with the issue. Issues, not personalities, are what we should be addressing here.

Who is Frank and what prejudices do I have. See here you go again with another brash, unsubstantiated and outright lie. I have no issues, prejudices, or dislikes for anyone named Frank, George, Pete, Henry, Jim, or whatever. Please stop with the assumptions.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jbowman

LinkfFixed I hope.

NH ASHI Inspectors readily admit that they did not know that licensing was coming down. I believe it was Mr. Carrio who made that quite explicit in one of his many posts or emails in the past. Read the ASHIPac thing. They are submitting their agendas to all states who do not have licensing. In fact it is there intention to work towards National Licensing. NACHI Chapters especially small ones like NH neither have the manpower or money to fight this type of campaign.

John, I do believe your wrong here, I think we can fight this and win. There is so much BS in all of this. I would like someone to comment on an earlier post I made about past experience/accreditation, doesn't that count for anything and what about us NH HIs who have businesses up and running, are we going to be put out of business by our elected officials.

I would like to see some some email sent to our local and national reps.

I would like to see Jeb Bradley and Judd Greg opinion, so to say we can't fight against an ASHI PAC, please don't make me laugh, this has just begun

[Peter C. Russell]

I would also like to see NACHIs official opinion as it pertains to NH. Seems we have lobbyist readily available to come here but no position from NACHI

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by prussell

John, I do believe your wrong here, I think we can fight this and win. There is so much BS in all of this. I would like someone to comment on an earlier post I made about past experience/accreditation, doesn't that count for anything and what about us NH HIs who have businesses up and running, are we going to be put out of business by our elected officials.

I would like to see some some email sent to our local and national reps.

I would like to see Jeb Bradley and Judd Greg opinion, so to say we can't fight against an ASHI PAC, please don't make me laugh, this has just begun

I sincerely hope that I am wrong. Go get em.

[Peter C. Russell]

I would like to extend an invitation to Carla to please join this message board. You were on of the primary contacts from MR. Gale so you must have some insight on what's going on.

Also you were starting a northern chapter so you must be in contact with our fellow members in that area, let's get them involved as well. I would like to see as many NH members get involved so a unified voice can be heard. Isn't that why we all joined NACHI?????????????

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Well lets reverse that. Perhaps you can tell me what truths I have refused you.

There is only one, John...

You (or Nick) have sent a lobbiest to the State. You have met, twice, with a NH legislator who has drafted legislation that NH inspectors consider detrimental. With all of these measures taken, no one has gone on the record to let the NH inspectors know what position NACHI has taken on the issues that affect them and that you are so actively representing.

Let the NH inspectors know (if not on the message board, then by email) what the position of NACHI is in respect to the issues that concern them. This is the only relevent truth that eludes them. From there, they can handle their own destiny - whether it be to support or trash that position.

And I would like to add a special note to our guests who, some possibly for the first time, are reading NACHI's open board --- NACHI, as the largest and best association for home inspectors, covers a wide area of experience, knowledge and interests. By design, we keep an open and unmoderated message board that serves as a "check and balance" to ensure that these wide areas of interest can be fairly and openly addressed. We speak our minds with each other and are sometimes down right mean about it - but when it comes to the important issues that affect us in our profession, we count upon our association to do what is right for its members and for the profession. Do not think that this argument is any way divisive or represents a chink in our armor. To the contrary, when we have hashed this out, we will be much stronger for having done it.

You will not see this type of open discussion on any other message board of any other association because their moderators will instantly delete and censure such discussion.

Thanks for stopping by.

Now, back to the blood and guts...

[Peter C. Russell]

James;
Please stand up and take a bow. Very nicely put and I say again, what is NACHI position.

[John Bowman]

NACHI to the best of my knowledge has no position or stance on state licensing other than no license should show bias towards any organizations, associations, or businesses. I believe that this has been spelled out fairly clearly by Mr. Gromicko, Mr. Farsetta, Mr Wiley and myself. If you're looking for us to issue a policy statement and/or a point paper it's just not going to happen it's not necessary.

I keep hearing Grandfathering, Apprenticeship, Testing, etc. Again NACHI has no position or stance on state licensing techniques or requirements. The fight for or against the techniques, licensing requirements (i.e. testing, CE's, Grandfathering, etc.) or even a bill is truly up to each and every individual home inspectors to fight or lobby for. You do know what is best for the Industry in your area.

Lobbyist are an intrical part of the process. Representatives and Senators welcome them with open arms because of their familiarity of every nook and crany of the political system. Lobbyist are highly skilled in approaching each legislator with tact and diplomacy. To operate without one is akin to political suicide. Mr. Rown is someone that Nick and I have worked closely with in the past. He is considered one of the leading experts in the lobbying field. His efforts may or may not have led to the explulsion of any bias in the proposed draft. I can't answer forthright whether it did or did not, you would have to ask those that drafted it who or what influenced their decision to remove the bias.

When I visited NH in July per Representative Gale's invitation it was in line with many others that Representative Gale had spoken with during the summer months and that he had invited to discuss Home Inspection Licensure. (Their were no hidden agendas, backdoor deals, or other BS as has been indicated by other posters of this message board). He was extremely impressed (so he told me anyways) that the Executive Director of NACHI would actually take the time and sit with him to talk about legislation in general. For those of you that are concerned, yes grandfathering, testing, and apprenticeship was hit upon. My response in kind were that Associations and Organizations are not normally involved in the states mandate for licensing. These have historically been the responsibility of the Home Inspection Board or Committee that is appointed through the Governor's office. It is during these open door meetings that Home Inspectors come in and voice their opinions. displeasure, or whatever before the board makes their recommendations to the Licensing Board or Authority's. We did talk about some of the problems that I have seen with other state boards and committees. Again of importance to NACHI was the apparant bias and unbalance of other boards. I did have some other concerns and comments on how hard it may be to fill their board. Not initially, but in the future. These boards are very demanding and take extensive time and effort, often leading to neglect of their own business to fill the needs of the state. I strongly urged him to study the compensation methods of NH's board members. In addition Representative Gale recognized the need to establish within the law requiring that no association be represented by more than one board member.

Further talks surrounded the housing market in NH. Of interest to me (personally) was the forecast for 2007 and beyond, in which Representative Gale outlined a very strong market for NH. New Housing is expected to go up by 30,000 new homes in 2007. An expected 7 billion additional dollars to the Housing Industry. I need to interject something at this point....I have seen disparaging words being written about a Realtor Legislator. Representative Gale is in the Commercial Real Estate Industry, not residential.

Representative Gale further outlined his desire to talk to more Inspectors, and associations. But his time was beginning to be limited and these one on one talks and luncheons would not suffice. He found open meetings to be very counterproductive. In his generalization he understood that each individual have their own needs and desires with a licensing bill. But unfortunately, entire meetings in the past were being ate up with "I" stories, and disparaging remarks towards the bill with very little follw-up statements of improvement or suggestions. Criteria was drawn up and a combination of individuals representing ASHI and NACHI and each separate ASHI and NACHI NH Chapter was planned.

Now before everyone gets huffy on me again. I did express my personal opine regarding the lack of necessity or need for licensing in NH and several other states. I truthfully do not believe that enough inspectors exist in NH to keep the program afloat and like so many of you have echoed here on this board and in the past - - I just don't see the consumer protection or the consumer complaints to warrant license and control of Home Inspectors in NH.

Again, good luck to all of you in NH.