Nick - Clarification Please

[John Bowman]

Nick or whoever,

Could you please provide the membership with a clarification on this? Does iNACHI now require that courses and material be submitted for continuing education approval as outlined by the iNACHI New Hampshire Chapter President?

Perhaps the continuing education policy has changed or I'm giving out totally inaccurate information when I receive inquiries.

Thanks,

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Office [mailtoffice@omnispect.net]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 20085:28 PM
To: office@omnispect.net
Cc: john.bowman@nachi.org
Subject: Rebuttal to False Charges against NNEC-ASHI
Importance: High

To All New England Home Inspectors:

It has come to my attention (see email below)that our Chapter has been falsely accused of misrepresenting the CEU's that will be earned in our upcoming seminar on Thursday.

Regarding NACHI CEU's: Below please find the wording taken directly from the NACHI website concerning CEU's. As shown, it is clearly written that courses approved by other inspection associations are automatically approved for NACHI CEU's. Additionally, I have personally spoken with John Bowman, Education Committee Member of NACHI National, who assured me that all of our courses are automatically approved for NACHI credits without submitting any paperwork.

Per NACHI's Website: "Qualifying Continuing Education: InterNACHI's qualifying subject matter is quite broad. Anything reasonably deemed to be inspection-related can be considered qualifying including CEU's earned for other inspection associations, construction seminars, and code enforcement training. Courses, classes, and seminars all qualify. Example: A mold seminar that lasts 2 hours qualifies as 2 hours of continuing education."

Regarding MA CEU's: Our chapter is an approved education provider in MA. MA currently requires that we submit paperwork on each individual class for approval, so we always have a slight administrative delay, but we always get approved. After 2/1/08, this restriction will be lifted, per MA law 266CMR2.0, and as an approved education provider we will no longer have to submit the individual class. We will just have immediate approval.

·Our 1/31/08 seminar IS APPROVED for 7 ASHI CEU's, 7 NACHI CEU's, and 7 MA CEU's (pending normal administrative delay).


Mr. Carrio's remarks are unfounded and unprovoked, and by spreading these lies, I now must waste my time defending my Chapter's integrity. Our Chapter is a non-profit organization that exists solely to unify and educate home inspectors.

I apologize for involving you all in this, but it is very obvious that Mr. Carrio has misinformed many home inspectors, and I feel the need to set the record straight.

Yours truly,
Bob MacDonald
NNEC-ASHI President

From: FCarrio [mailto:FCarrio@Comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 20083:44 PM
To: 'Office'
Subject: FW: FALSE & MISLEADING INFORMATION IS LISTED ON RE: 1/31 NNEC seminar- 2nd NOTICE- please RSVP


CORRECTION OF TYPO;
See last paragraph

From: NACHI-NH [mailto:NACHI-NH@Comcast.Net]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 20083:35 PM
To: 'Office'
Subject: FALSE & MISLEADING INFORMATION IS LISTED ON RE: 1/31 NNEC seminar- 2nd NOTICE- please RSVP



To:
Bob MacDonald
ASHI NNEC President

CC: All New Hampshire NACHI members

I am sure that by now you are aware that you have posted a false and misleading advertisement.

ØI sent you an E-Mail earlier today to bring this matter to your attention hoping that you would cease and desist.

Now I see that you are still sending out E-mails to NACHI members with this same false information. See below;

Credits: 7 ASHI CE's, 7 NACHI CEU's, 6 MASS CEU's pending

ØYou and your local ASHI Chapter does not dictate what is and is not a "NACHI CEU".

Did you ever stop to think that would be the same as our NACHI State Chapter coming up with a seminar and stating that it is worth a single ASHI CEU {much less 7-ASHI CEU's} without submitting our seminar for acceptance and or approval.

I see that you have this seminar listed as "Pending"Massachusetts approval. Why is that?

Any wise man would take that to mean that your local ASHI chapter cannot DICTATE to Ma. What is and is not acceptable.

ØThe same goes for NACHI and our State Chapter. You can request, but you cannot dictate!

As of this date {01-28-2008} neither you, your board of directors, nor the representatives from this company have not submitted a lesson plan, or any course material for review.

Failure to do so and claiming that this course is worth 7-hours of NACHI continuing education credits only serves to discredit you as an individual and your local chapter as a "Professional" association.

If any NACHI member is mislead / fooled into spending their money on this seminar and then attempts to receive "7-NACHI continuing education credits" they will be directed to file a complaint with the New Hampshire State Attorney General's office, and The Better Business Bureau.

I will also encourage them to file a complaint in Small Claims court to retrieve their wasted money.

It is my understanding that if you intentionally SWINDLE anyone out of $100.00 or more that you have committed a FELONY!

I would strongly advise you to think about your false and misleading advertising and to stop and think about what you are doing.


Signed, Frank Carrio

From: Office [mailtoffice@omnispect.net]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 20081:02 PM
To: office@omnispect.net
Subject: 1/31 NNEC seminar- 2nd NOTICE- please RSVP
Importance: High



To All Home Inspectors in New England:


Attached please specifics on this Thursday's NNEC-ASHI seminar.

If you are planning on attending and you have not yet RSVP'd, please RSVP as soon as possible.
You can pay at the door, but we need a head count for the food.

Please call if you have any questions.

Thanks.

Bob MacDonald
NNEC- President
603-842-0315
office@omnispect.net

[Joe Farsetta]

John,

I can clarify things. But, before I do, I would like to know what role you played in all of this.

The principals involved here have gone out of their way to disparage this association in the past, and have done so while giving testimony at legislative hearings. They now seek NACHI approval for course CEUs.

NACHI's policy is quite liberal as to course approvals, but we are also not a doormat. As such, we have asked Mr. MacDonald and/or his partner to clarify why they felt compelled to state that the NACHI exam is a joke and that answers were for sale on the Internet, and that NACHI-NH inspectors were inferior, because NACHI is made up of part timers.

It is within NACHI's discretion to approve or disapprove courses as they wish. One of the criteria is approval from another org. We have asked Mr. MacDonald to provide the ASHI approval information for his courses. He opened the door and stated it was approved. In the past, we have also asked for instructor bios and for course outlines for our files. Nothng new there. We have also asked for those documents from Mr. MacDonald.

Finally, and at Nick's recommendation, due to the inflamatory actions of the principals involved against the membership of NACHI-NH, we have asked for clarification on the testimony given. If the information is false, they will be granted approval with apology. If it is true, NACHI will ask for a public apology. After receiving said apology and retraction, the courses will likely be approved if the other conditions are met.

Do you have personal knowledge of these individuals (MacDonald and Bates) and their actions in the state house? Were you aware of their testimony? Why did they feel compelled to contact you?

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

What is up with this?
Did someone misquote Frank and add this or was it contained in the original email?

Signed, Frank Carrio
Founder & President;
The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors

[John Bowman]

Joe,

No role at all. I simply referred the inquirer to the NACHI CE requirement page that stipulates in full:

Per NACHI's Website: "Qualifying Continuing Education: InterNACHI's qualifying subject matter is quite broad. Anything reasonably deemed to be inspection-related can be considered qualifying including CEU's earned for other inspection associations, construction seminars, and code enforcement training. Courses, classes, and seminars all qualify. Example: A mold seminar that lasts 2 hours qualifies as 2 hours of continuing education."

Judging from your response, apparantly the above statement is no longer correct. It's a shame that association or chapter differences play a role in continuing education or opportunities for individual businesses.

Your comments and stance are noted. Thank-you.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

John,

The quote from the policy is accurate....

Quote:
Per NACHI's Website: "Qualifying Continuing Education: InterNACHI's qualifying subject matter is quite broad. Anything reasonably deemed to be inspection-related can be considered qualifying including CEU's earned for other inspection associations, construction seminars, and code enforcement training. Courses, classes, and seminars all qualify. Example: A mold seminar that lasts 2 hours qualifies as 2 hours of continuing education."

Policy notes other CEU's "Can" qualify. It does not state that they "Will" qualify....FWIW

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbowman

...It's a shame that association or chapter differences play a role in continuing education or opportunities for individual businesses.

Your comments and stance are noted. Thank-you.

I agree.
The situation here has become personal.
Individuals may have lost sight of the big picture.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

What is up with this?
Did someone misquote Frank and add this or was it contained in the original email?

Signed, Frank Carrio
Founder & President;
The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors

Joe,

I don't believe I copied the entire signature. Looks like it was cut short for some reason. If I remember correctly the next line read - NH chapter.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

John,

If that is the case, you should change the quote in your original posting...

[John Bowman]

Joe H.,

Thanks for pointing out the can part of the statement. But please correct me if I am still misinterpretating something.

Isn't this just a general example/guideline provided to iNACHI members to help them understand what types of courses and training are considered qualifiable?

[James H. Bushart]

The NH Chapter is within its rights to defend itself from the hostile actions of ASHI in its area.

It is not a "personal" thing. A dying ASHI chapter, made mostly of out of state inspectors, is planning to use NACHI CEUs to lure attendance at its events to make it appear to others that it is larger than it is. Frank not only is correct in his actions, but has a duty to his state to stop it from happening.

Way to go, Frank.

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

John,

If that is the case, you should change the quote in your original posting...

I agree. Done.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Why did they feel compelled to contact you?

Seeking "NUPI" support, no doubt.

[klott]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

What is up with this?
Did someone misquote Frank and add this or was it contained in the original email?

Signed, Frank Carrio
Founder & President;
The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors

What's up with this, I thought Nick was the founder?

[klott]

Does Ashi or Nahi give credit to their members for any iNachi CEU's or do they fail to recognize iNachi continuing education as being legitimate?

[Joe Farsetta]

John and Joe H,

What sould be posted are the responses which were sent by me to Mr. MacDonald. There is nothing personal here.

John, you are correct in that local state chapter officials will not influence what gets approved and does not get approved. NACHI still has a liberal policy with regard to course approvals.

There is something slightly different going on here. As a person who was, at one time, involved in NH legislative matters, you know the flavor of issues NACHI faces up there. Further complicating the matter may indeed be the testimony of one of the principals involved.

So, no, its not personal. Nick backs the decision, and has given those involved te opportunity for clarification, after which, the course will likely be approved.