Nick why do only Russel's Marketing Forum Members

[Bruce M. Graham, III]

does anyone even know if in fact there has been any material developed for NACHI under whatever agreement, or is RR giving of himself as he has done so often in the past? The site is free, the info is there, what is the problem?
Marketing

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bgraham

does anyone even know

Nick does. I think this may be why Wendy posed the question to him. Perhaps he is fine with this arrangement and it has all been prearranged and agreed to, in which case there has been nothing improperly done.

As I stated earlier, we have some people in appointed positions who do this regularly. I have read where the ED has a an electronic chapter or something like that where people go off-site to access certain things. The difference is, being that they are not on "the payroll" as Russel Kirk is, their time is their own and what they develop during that time they can maintain undisputed ownership of.

[lcapaul]

Just as "Objective" as you James, when it comes to a member of your pack.

SO PLEASE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE A MARKETING ADVISOR, PLEASE ASK HIM TO HELP ALL OF US, NOT JUST HIS CHOSEN FEW.

Honestly. I think it will be extremely basic, and kindergarten stuff.

Russel told me a long time ago he wouldn't ban me from the board if I behaved myself.
I never applied and I won't.

I'M TIRED OF READING THREADS AND ONLY GETTING HALF-ASSED ANSWERS ANYWAY THAT DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE IN THEM, AND THEN NOT GETTING THE WHOLE ANSWER

Let me see if I have this right, Wendy believes that RR's Information is worthless, yet she demands his help, that according to her she could join RR's Marketing Board, so by not doing so she has refused an opportunity to access that worthless basic kindergarten stuff on RR's site, and that even though she believes that RR's advice is worthless she is "tired of reading" his threads. Am I right so far? Why does she waste her time worrying about "usleless" information?

Her question to NIck was about the availability of RR's Information and why it has not been provided on the NACHI Website, it's funny how you two always manage to make any questioning of her "statements" all about her, instead of the question at hand. which in this case is "Why hasn't Nick providied space for RR to store his information"?

[ntoll]

Here's another thought. I imagine very little of the information that she is demanding was deveolped on nachi time. RR has really only been an "employee" for a few weeks. I think somone should prove ownership before demanding that it be given to a few loud mouths that don't even want it to begin with.

[Larry D. Kage]

Hey!...where has Chris Morrell posted all of the information on how to do a top notch bulletin board and keep it bug free?

[jschulte]

RR, now that you're an insider, is it true that Wendy and Bushy are really just Chris stirring the pot when he's bored programming?

If so, please ask him to step out from behing the curtain and take a bow, this is better than Oz.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jbushart

And you, Lewis, are to be considered the objective one in a Wendy-related issue, I presume.

Seriously though, the fact that I think you are wrong about this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I don't like you. Instead, it has everything to do with the question that is being posed: Is it proper for a paid NACHI member to take NACHI owned material (if it, indeed, was) and put it on his own subscription based site where he can accumulate (and sell) member email addresses from those who attempt to obtain this NACHI product. Do you think this is okay to do?

How do we know what the agreement is with Nick and Russel and is it copyrighted exclusively to NACHI?

James, if you are privy to this info. such as how much Russel is getting paid and all the other agreements that where made with Nick then please let us know.

PS Isn't this a Non profit org. this info. should be available.

[Nick Gromicko]

Too long of a thread for me to read, but Russel... just email me any articles or PPTs you have and I'll make a library on the NACHI site for members. It will only take me a couple minutes.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by prussell

How do we know what the agreement is with Nick and Russel and is it copyrighted exclusively to NACHI?

Right now, Peter, we don't know a heck of a lot....only that someone asked a legitimate question that seems to have offended some folks. If Nick replies to her by email or some other source, hopefully she will share the answer with us on this thread.

We can reasonably assume, although not for certain, that what a NACHI employee creates while on the NACHI payroll is the property of NACHI. I know that this has been the case with many of the on-line courses and other things we see here, daily. Perhaps Nick and Russel have another type of agreement which would render the question moot.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Too long of a thread for me to read, but Russel... just email me any articles or PPTs you have and I'll make a library on the NACHI site for members. It will only take me a couple minutes.

Issue resolved...case closed.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

You're right, it's Nick's Call, unless you know just what the arrangement between Nick and RR is then you, or I, wouldn't know just what materials and programs that have been developed by RR are available to all NACHI Members. As far as I know RR was hired as an advisor, ask him a question, I'm sure he would "advise" even you.

It appears to me, and was mentioned previously, that RR has attempted to store all his "information" on a NACHI Website, that's Nick's Call too, otherwise like RR says his Marketing Site is open to all, and it's free, and that site is maintained at RR's own expense, not NACHI's, but his site is about Marketing, not personal attacks, and bullsh*t such as "Cookbooks" etc.

His marketing adice is free and available to every NACHI Member, but it is restricted to discussions about Marketing

No. What THIS is about, is Russel making a promise to post his P's on the other thread about Six figures and NOT following through, hyping everyone up, and then requiring everyone to sign up at Marketing to view it...

That is called Bait and Switch in any language, and it's an old trick and any one who's been in the biz long enough know's it. So while the creeps here may want to make this into another bunch of crap about me, the truth is, it was another Hanzel and Gretel story of Russel stringing along bread crumbs for the NACHI members and then when the finally got to the Gingerbread House, he shoved them into the oven and slammed the door shut. For those who are naive at best, that means he made you sign up at the Marketing forum, or if already signed up, he made you click on the links at Marketing to read the presentation, thereby boosting his ratings by reading it.

You all can say what you want about me, and think what you want, but the truth is, you are naive and silly, and a bunch of willing lemmings being led off the cliff regularly and buying bottles of snake oil repeatedly and before you even run out of the first bottle you're asking him when the next bottle is available and how much can you pay for it.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jbushart

And you, Lewis, are to be considered the objective one in a Wendy-related issue, I presume.

Seriously though, the fact that I think you are wrong about this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I don't like you. Instead, it has everything to do with the question that is being posed: Is it proper for a paid NACHI member to take NACHI owned material (if it, indeed, was) and put it on his own subscription based site where he can accumulate (and sell) member email addresses from those who attempt to obtain this NACHI product. Do you think this is okay to do?

Like several have asked, Do you know what kind of agreement Nich and Russel made?

You mentioned writing an essay, ""NACHI and Its Impact on the Mating Habits of Clams", paid for by Nick, what if you had written it before you became Nick's employee, would the Essay now automatically belong to NACHI?

If Ms. Forsyth wanted to ask Nick a Question about the availability of Russel's Marketing Information to NACHI Members she could have asked him through Email, just like most of us do when we have a question for him, instead she used her supposed question to attack RR, all without any knowledge of the agreement between Nick and Russel, whining about something she says she has no use for

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Like several have asked, Do you know what kind of agreement Nich and Russel made?

You mentioned writing an essay, ""NACHI and Its Impact on the Mating Habits of Clams", paid for by Nick, what if you had written it before you became Nick's employee, would the Essay now automatically belong to NACHI?

If Ms. Forsyth wanted to ask Nick a Question about the availability of Russel's Marketing Information to NACHI Members she could have asked him through Email, just like most of us do when we have a question for him, instead she used her supposed question to attack RR, all without any knowledge of the agreement between Nick and Russel, whining about something she says she has no use for

You can stop trying to flog Wendy, Lewis. The issue is resolved and the case is closed. She has several other threads open affording you plenty of opportunity.

Besides, none of your questions above are relevant to the topic.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by rray

There you have it, and Wendy has said the same, so I'm not sure why those two have so much to say about the situation.

That doesn't give us any less say as NACHI members in what you do. That's the problem right there. You think only your fan club members should have a say in what happens with you.

[wforsyth]

boy...am I tired or what?