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Old 7/3/09, 12:59 PM
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Client: Mr. Spector, I'm concerned that that skylight in my daughters room is not safe. I am concerned with debris falling from airplanes, sattelites and space, craching through there.

Mr. Spector: I undertsand your concern. I will put it in the report that the skylight is a safety hazard and should be removed.

That's suppose to be funny? I think not.

We are talking about electricity here, not space junk falling from the sky.
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Old 7/3/09, 1:01 PM
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Client: Mr. Spector, I'm concerned that that skylight in my daughters room is not safe. I am concerned with debris falling from airplanes, sattelites and space, craching through there.

Mr. Spector: I undertsand your concern. I will put it in the report that the skylight is a safety hazard and should be removed.

I think you meant to say that Ben will recommend that everyone in the home should were a Kevlar suit and a crash helmet at all times to be "safe"

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Old 7/3/09, 1:01 PM
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That's suppose to be funny? I think not.

We are talking about electricity here, not space junk falling from the sky.
It has evolved into Ben stating that he considers his clients concers (real or perceived) in his reports.

I'm sure others, who aren't upset with me (for whatever reason), will get it.



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Old 7/3/09, 1:01 PM
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So if you were the alarm tech, you would have installed the sensors on my mothers upper windows?
Probably, but then not charge her for it.
As a home inspector, I'd certainly listen with understanding to her concerns, and judge whether or not to express those concerns in the report. In this case, I would not put her concerns in the report. It's not really a safety issue that would be brought up in a home inspection.




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Old 7/3/09, 1:02 PM
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That's suppose to be funny? I think not.

We are talking about electricity here, not space junk falling from the sky.
It's a little late for that.
Ben is trying to open the eyes of all HIs to report/recommend all manner of safety improvements.



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Old 7/3/09, 1:04 PM
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It has evolved into Ben stating that he considers his clients concers (real or perceived) in his reports.

I'm sure others, who aren't upset with me (for whatever reason), will get it.
For example: Reporting a bird bath in the back yard is beyond the scope, but if my client has a small child, I'll put that bird bath in my report with a photo.




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Probably, but then not charge her for it.
As a home inspector, I'd certainly listen with understanding to her concerns, and judge whether or not to express those concerns in the report. In this case, I would not put her concerns in the report. It's not really a safety issue that would be brought up in a home inspection.
Are you changing your mind now?



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Old 7/3/09, 1:05 PM
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For example: Reporting a bird bath in the back yard is beyond the scope, but if my client has a small child, I'll put that bird bath in my report with a photo.



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It's a little late for that.
Ben is trying to open the eyes of all HIs to report/recommend all manner of safety improvements.
Which are expressed by the client (don't forget that part)



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Old 7/3/09, 1:06 PM
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It's a little late for that.
Ben is trying to open the eyes of all HIs to report/recommend all manner of safety improvements.
You are absolutely right.
Maybe it's because I've got a 2-year old, 5-year old, and a 7-year old. All girls. God help me.

When it comes to safety in my house, I'm like a mean dog sniffin' it out and fixin' it.
WOOF!

got to go... Paul Ab's video needs some work...http://www.nachi.org/paul-abernathy




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Which are expressed by the client (don't forget that part)
Well he does a client inventory first to determine their real needs so he can serve them better.

Does Ben even inspect homes anymore?



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Old 7/3/09, 1:16 PM
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Ben,

Do you give recall info for all appliances/mechanicals in the home?



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Old 7/3/09, 5:10 PM
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You are absolutely right.
Maybe it's because I've got a 2-year old, 5-year old, and a 7-year old. All girls. God help me.

When it comes to safety in my house, I'm like a mean dog sniffin' it out and fixin' it.
WOOF!

got to go... Paul Ab's video needs some work...http://www.nachi.org/paul-abernathy
Well Ben...I am the LAST person to make an "AB's" video...no washboard stomach here my friend...lol but I think a more serious concern for a 2 year old, 5 year old and 7 year old would be poor or improper equipment grounds within a dwelling used to aid in the operation of the dwellings overcurrent devices...lol...you see the disconnect issue is not a safety concern if under the guidelines of the qualified person. Now, their are some situations that HI's will run into that are NOT related to that exception and dealing with a multi-family building and would warrant being called out....this just happens to not be one of those cases....no harm..no foul in this OP's question.



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Old 7/3/09, 5:18 PM
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Well he does a client inventory first to determine their real needs so he can serve them better.

Does Ben even inspect homes anymore?
I don't believe he does anymore because he is way more valuable to our industry doing what he does. His job is to be cautious when providing publications or videos because he walks that thin blue line. I found him very intelligent and quite the family man when I spent a few days with him and he is sharp and loves a good debate like anyone else I am sure.

He and Nick both are a bit hung up on that shower switch issue......lol....but in reality and all joking aside even in the video we did he probably could have called out way more issues than me because I shoot from the hip and do not do take after take...I roll and dont stop running my mouth.....that has its goods and bads but even guys like me can say something wrong on camera before we even think about it....Ben is too professional for that as he would retake the shot until it is just right...me well...Im too impatient.

Ben is a good guy and has some wonderful kids and a sweetheart wife and to be honest I can see where a daddy would be cautious....just wait until the BOYS come knockin on his door...then you will see cautious.

In this case ( as with the shower switch ) I find him wrong....lol...but I think Ben knows that I find him wrong.....but i find him SO RIGHT for INACHI and he is best served doing exactly what he is doing.



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