North American Union?

[John McKenna]

North American Union? Texas Uproar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKzlSt9nRjQ

[whandley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

[rmaday]

Perhaps Absolut has something to do with this?

http://cbs2.com/watercooler/absolut.....2.695370.html

[Karl E. Gerhauser]

Easy Richard, oh nevermind, I thought you were talking about me.

[William J. Decker]

Silly people believing silly things.

There is a consprecy theroist behind every tree.

Squirrels chase them, collect them and save them for winter, but some escape.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Silly people believing silly things.

There is a consprecy theroist behind every tree.

Squirrels chase them, collect them and save them for winter, but some escape.

Is CNN a nut case or main stream news outlet.?

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Is CNN a nut case or main stream news outlet.?

CNN is a classic nut case (owned by a nut case) and Lou Dobbs is just plain silly.

Trade agreements are not the same thing as sovernty capitulation and a highway is not either.

I know you are from Texas, John, and Texas has a real big history of independance (and a good one!), but this type of wingnut silliness can be answered real easy, for anyone who reads and knows more than what they are fed bu CNN.

Re-read the Wickopedia reference (but remember that wickopedia is not relaiable).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

And research the sources behind the hype:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...American_Union

As Mom always used to say, consider the source

Here is the governmental, offical source. Bet you that no one actually went there and read it for yourself, and only took old Lou's word for it.

http://www.spp.gov/

And, of course, Ron Paul sees it as real. That, alone, proves it's a fake.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...itics-national

http://www.scoreboard-canada.com/northamerican.htm

Read sources that present facts. Don't get dragged in by the windnuts:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8247
http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

That's the problem with the internet. People believe everything that is posted and (most) people don't have the basic education, and don't have the will (or time) to check things out for themselves.

Read some freakin' history, guys. Learn some economics.

Do your homework.

As Jefferson said, education is the keystone of a Democracy. Lazy people (and those who have a history of not doing their homework in school) are easily led by the nose.

Hope this helps;

(I will duck, now, and await the arrows over the wall.)
http://www.counterpunch.org/carlsen02282008.html

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Trade agreements are not the same thing as sovernty capitulation and a highway is not either.

No one said that a trade agreement has taken over the total U.S.
sovereignty. This is a typical exaggeration tactic. By misrepresenting
the topic, and mocking, you have failed to address the facts and the
issues.

There are many many people who have stopped laughing, once they
search out the facts. If you lived in Texas and you were about to
loose thousands of acres, so that another country could drive their
trucks through your place, you might not snicker.

[gporter]

Not at the Airport yet?

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

No one said that a trade agreement has taken over the total U.S.
sovereignty. This is a typical exaggeration tactic. By misrepresenting
the topic, and mocking, you have failed to address the facts and the
issues.

There are many many people who have stopped laughing, once they
search out the facts. If you lived in Texas and you were about to
loose thousands of acres, so that another country could drive their
trucks through your place, you might not snicker.

Any state will loose many acres (maybe Texas will loose more because it is so big) when they build a new interstate highway. Chicago lost many homes (and really P***ed off people) when they built our expressways in the 50s and 60s.

Don't confuse highway construction with a North American Union take over. Do you really think that they can pull this kind of sovernty take-over without the knowledge (and approval) of the American People? Can you name one major elected official who supports a Nothr American Union? Such an act would require, at the very least, a Constitutional amendment, whicj are pretty hard to just sneak through.

BTW: Lou Dobbs is a total wingnut.

[whandley]

http://www.alternet.org/audits/54184/

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/id...ro_conspiracy/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8247

[John McKenna]

Resolution HR 1
" This resolution of the House of Representatives urges the United States to withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other activity which seeks to create a North American Union."

http://le.utah.gov/~2008/bills/hbillint/hr0001.htm

Some people are concerned about what is happening. Again,
I have not said the US is being taken over, but pretending
that there is nothing to discuss is not reality.

Resolution HCR 40
"Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada."

http://www.rense.com/general75/rep.htm

Resoluton HCM 2003
"Opposing a north American Union"

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/48leg/2...s/hcm2003p.htm

Resoluton SJM 113

"harm to the American economy and workforce, loss of sovereignty and border security."

Resolution HCR 5033

http://www3.idaho.gov/oasis/SJM113.html#billtext

Resolution 17

"will ultimately lead to the formation of a new government for the United States, the North American Union"

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking...o/HCR0017I.htm

Resolution 23

"supra-national government such as a North American union unconstitutional"

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...08/hr0023.html

I could go on and on... but it appears there are some people passing
laws and debates are taking place at many levels on this supposed fantasy.
It is not nuts to consider an issue.

This is my last post... just something to think about.

[William J. Decker]

NAFTA is a trade agreement, not a surrender of sovernty.

But, many wingnuts, and the unions and other ill-informed people want to believe otherwise.

Nothing new. Look at the old "Free Silver" movements.