Obama harms children in return for NEA union support.

[klott]

Originally Posted by nwagner

What are public schools supposed to do? Violate that pesky little Separation of Church and State concept in the Constitution by imposing your Christian beliefs upon the children?

Nick, I own one of the first Spelling books our Nation used,(1791) almost all of the words taught are used in Bible Quotes, if the Constitution would have meant what you said, at a time when the Founding Fathers were still around, don't you think they would have stepped up to the plate and declared that it was being misinterpreted and misused? Think about it, long and hard!

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Do some research on what actually happened before you spout off.

Can you show me which incident(s) that I am not addressing that offend you?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Can you show me which incident(s) that I am not addressing that offend you?

Better question.

What offends you about the display of the of ten commandments in a public school, the singing of Christmas songs, and the prayer in schools?

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Better question.

What offends you about the display of the of ten commandments in a public school, the singing of Christmas songs, and the prayer in schools?

Public schools are institutes of learning, not venues for government endorsement of Christianity.

Why is prayer necessary in school, anyways?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Public schools are institutes of learning, not venues for government endorsement of Christianity.

Why is prayer necessary in school, anyways?

Why should it be prohibited?

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Why should it be prohibited?

Good question.

I don't think that prayer should be prohibited in schools. Its the endorsement of Christianity by the school via interrupting or postponing class time for prayer that I object to. Nor do I agree with schools trumping other religions with Christian displays and by requiring them to sing Christian songs to pass music class.

Why do children need to pray in school, anyways?

[Michael Larson]

If prayer is a normal part of one's life why should it not also occur in schools?

What was the motivation of those that fought against prayer in schools and/or religious displays?

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

Someone will have to show me where in the Constitution the much loved term "Separation of church and State" is because it isn't in there. Never was. That was taken from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a group of ladies in Danbury, Connecticut. The purpose was to explain the freedom OF religion, not freedom From religion. Far too many people like to quote from the Constitution having never read it in it's entirety (much like those who claim to have read the Bible).

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

If prayer is a normal part of one's life why should it not also occur in schools?

What was the motivation of those that fought against prayer in schools and/or religious displays?

Parents of other religions objecting to their children be subject to the school's dominate religion.

Would you have been okay with the schools you sent your children to observing Muslim prayer schedules, displaying Muslim sacraments and requiring them to sing traditional Muslim songs out of respect to the predominately Muslim community? Especially if there were no Christian displays or Christian songs sung?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Someone will have to show me where in the Constitution the much loved term "Separation of church and State" is because it isn't in there. Never was. That was taken from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a group of ladies in Danbury, Connecticut. The purpose was to explain the freedom OF religion, not freedom From religion. Far too many people like to quote from the Constitution having never read it in it's entirety (much like those who claim to have read the Bible).

Yep.

Sad really.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Parents of other religions objecting to their children be subject to the school's dominate religion.

Would you have been okay with the schools you sent your children to observing Muslim prayer schedules, displaying Muslim sacraments and requiring them to sing traditional Muslim songs out of respect to the predominately Muslim community? Especially if there were no Christian displays or Christian songs sung?

Are you OK with the public accommodations being made in schools, airports and colleges for those who practice Mohamedism?

[klott]

Christian prayer in school, is not about making anyone subject to anything. It is asking for God's blessing, protection or help. It is the teaching of creationism, that the other side fears so much, which is why they fight so hard to suppress it.

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Yep.

Sad really.

Yes, ironically, those ladies (the Danbury Baptist) wrote to Jefferson precisely because of the misunderstanding that we are now being beat up with. His attempt to clarify the issue actually did more harm than good two centuries later. It has been deliberately misrepresented through the use of circular reasoning that if one states something long enough and loud enough that validates the fallacy. The dumbing down of the general population through (again, ironically) the piss poor schools over the last 40 plus years has been very successful in producing an populace completely ignorant of American history, civics and standard education disciplines / curriculum. I never had to but I can remember my older sister having to take Latin in high school in rural Mississippi back in the early 60s. Today, sadly many high school grads can't read well enough to fill out a job application at Hardee's.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Someone will have to show me where in the Constitution the much loved term "Separation of church and State" is because it isn't in there. Never was. That was taken from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a group of ladies in Danbury, Connecticut. The purpose was to explain the freedom OF religion, not freedom From religion. Far too many people like to quote from the Constitution having never read it in it's entirety (much like those who claim to have read the Bible).

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In case you are still wondering, its the First Amendment.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Are you OK with the public accommodations being made in schools, airports and colleges for those who practice Mohamedism?

If the accommodations are private, without use of taxpayer funds and without any affect on the services being rendered- no.