Osama speech was good but he doesn't understand the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution

[relliott]

Originally Posted by mivie

Myself and all my ( children have grown up with guns. I got my first one at age 1. Was hunting by 7. All of my sons can disassemble their weapons clean and reassemble. Everyone I know in my area own guns, and not one that I know of has ever pointed one at another person let alone shot someone.

The problem is not AK-47'S 30-30'S or 22'S. It is how people raise their children.
If kids grow up without a good home life you wind up with gangsters and thugs.
What is this candidate going to do to fix that, make birth control mandatory in the inner cities when the girls reach puberty?

How about make the fathers take responabitly for thir children. JMO

So when a Rapist Crack head gets out of jail , we should arm him immediatly?

[Nick Gromicko]

Robert writes:

Your little pea shooter is not going to stop a crack head with a machine gun.

Ah, yes it will. Many a nutty, drugged out criminal was stopped with .22.

Nor is it going to stop a well armed military .

That's what the King said about us in the 1700's. He was wrong.

It's what the Soviet Union said about the Afgahns in the 1980's. They were wrong.

It's what the FBI said about Randy Weaver while they were shooting his 11 year old son in the back. They were wrong too.

[ccurrins]

Originally Posted by mivie

What is this candidate going to do to fix that, make birth control mandatory in the inner cities when the girls reach puberty?

How about make the fathers take responsibly for their children. JMO

In his speech tonight, that is exactly what he said.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

Obama is not saying he is going to take a legal gun owners rights away. He wants to enforce existing laws on the sale and possession of guns to illegal gun owners. And put more restraints on importing illegal guns.

We need a new president to make this happen?

Where are mayors and law enforcement officers?

What's an illegal gun and who decides that and where is that in the constitution?

[Michael L. Ivie, Jr]

Originally Posted by relliott

So when a Rapist Crack head gets out of jail , we should arm him immediatly?

When he gets out of jail I can bet you a dollar to a donut he won't come to my neighborhood. The little 82 year old lady next door can shoot a squirrel off her bird feeder from her back porch.

[Nick Gromicko]

Robert writes:

So when a Rapist Crack head gets out of jail , we should arm him immediatly?

So when a rapist crackhead gets out of jail, we should turn him loose on unarmed, law abiding women who are on average 1/2 his strength and size?

That's what we do now in cities that have the stiffest gun control laws and the highest crime rates (NY, DC, etc). More guns = less crime.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

In his speech tonight, that is exactly what he said.

Billy Cosby been saying that for years along with many other responsible black leaders. Does no one listen?

[Michael L. Ivie, Jr]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

In his speech tonight, that is exactly what he said.

I missed the speach, But if he can do that I would vote for him.

[Nick Gromicko]

And put more restraints on importing illegal guns.

Under the constitution there is no such thing as an illegal gun. The second amendment doesn't necessarily protect shotguns and duck hunters. It protects weapons to fend off tyrant's armies... it protects the very AK 47s Osama mentioned in his speech.

[Nick Gromicko]

Ooops, my bad.

I've been accidentally refering to Obama as Osama. Two totally different people.

Osama's fly planes into buildings idea in the hands of a small bunch of hijackers caused the death of 3,000.

Obama's gun control idea in the hands of a small bunch of tyrants caused the death of 100 million.

Sorry I mixed the two gentlemen up, they are in totally different categories.

Cling to your guns folks.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

So where does it end Nick? You get to own a bazooka? a stinger? A blunderbuss from the old day is a little different than the AK's from today. Had they known, would the founding fathers used the exact same language? I don't think so.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Ooops, my bad.

I've been accidentally refering to Obama as Osama. Two totally different people.

Osama's fly planes into buildings idea in the hands of a small bunch of hijackers caused the death of 3,000.

Obama's gun control idea in the hands of a small bunch of tyrants caused the death of 100 million.

Sorry I mixed the two gentlemen up, they are in totally different categories.

Cling to your guns folks.

Ok ...very funny,now lets sit down so I can get you to understand reality here.
Do you think I would not defend my family from danger with everything , including weapons of any kind at my disposal.?

No.. of course not Nick.You know better than that.

But do you feel a American has a right to bear arms means weapons of any kind?

Hmmm ....sit back some more, and take this to the point of being ridiculus for argument sake, shall we.....

How about if I make my own hydrogen thermo-nuclear devise ?

Is that ok with you?

The constitution says right to bear arms,,,,not guns.

So you see there need to be limits and this is where a reasonable discussion needs to take place.

A bunch of deep woods hunters is different from a 12 year old ghetto kid looking to rob someone, and needs to be addressed.

There is no clear cut black and white issue here, as the world changes and so do the laws.

I am a Libertarian at heart , not an Anarchist.

[Nick Gromicko]

The word "arms" in those days referred to military weapons.

What arms do those in the military bear these days?

The right to bear those types of weapons, whatever those are these days, seems to me to be protected constitutionally.

Now as for crime... there are virtually no hot crimes in the U.S. "Hot" meaning that the criminal knows the family is home and breaks in anyway, a common type of crime in England where everyone knows there are no guns in the home.

Anyway, we don't need everyone walking around with AK 47s. We only need a portion of us willing to brandish a weapon from time to time to thwart most hot crimes. Criminals don't know who of us has them or what homes have them... so they are a deterrent to criminals that help protect the unarmed as well. They can have my TV while I'm out at a restaurant. We don't even have to discharge the weapon in most cases. That's how well guns in the hands of law abiding citizens works: We don't all have to have them, we don't even have to shoot them most of the time. Wow. They really work.

Criminal interviews show that criminals spend a great amount of time and energy making sure no one is home before breaking in, out of fear of getting shot. They do the same when looking for street victims in attempting to find unarmed ones. Many would-be victims of rape merely had to pretend they had a gun in their purse to prevent the crime. Like I said, guns work. Gun control on the other hand is statistical mass rape and murder.

Obama suggesting that laws should be passed to leave women to defend themselves against generally more aggressive, larger, stronger attackers, with nothing but their fists and screams? He sounds like a sexist of the worst kind.

[Tyler Knelsen]

Like many Albertans, I am very protective of my right to own as many guns as I want. Statistics show over and over again that more guns = less crime. The only thing gun control achieves is removing guns from the hands of law abiding citizens. Although I'm a Canadian, I also enjoy studying United States history and the U.S. constitution is an amazing document if you value liberty.

Nick's take on the second amendment is right on target. <----(thought I would throw that pun in there)

Whether or not you agree with the second amendment, the following quote by Thomas Jefferson makes very clear what the founders intended with this amendment:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

The founders literally intended for the second amendment to ensure the populace was armed as a deterrent and safe guard against tyrannical government. When you have armed law abiding citizens it also serves a dual purpose as a deterrent against crime and criminals.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Hot crimes, I can not fine the stat's for that term.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...uncrimetab.htm