The People to Thank for High Gas Prices

[Brian E. Kelly]

Michael, the govt is the bad guy in everything is a little tiring.

Oil companies pretty much have the frigging whole world to drill, and build refineries, and in places with little or no environmental laws, and you want us to believe a couple of new oil fields will dramatically reduce the price we pay at the pump.

Come on, that is even too simplistic for you to believe, isn't it?

You are not snowed in or something are you?

[Michael Larson]

Snow is finally gone here Brian. 70 and beautiful today.

Yes I believe the politicians vis a vis the government is largely to blame.

They have tied the hands of the most productive companies from drilling for the oil we already know exists.

Brian, just what wonderful things is the government doing to improve the situation? I'll listen.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

, and you want us to believe a couple of new oil fields will dramatically reduce the price we pay at the pump.

Really, this is what you want me to believe??

[Michael Larson]

Greens thwart gasoline production
-By Steven Milloy
June 12, 2008

Four-plus dollar gasoline is forcing Americans to realize that increased domestic oil production is needed to meet our ever-growing demand for affordable gasoline.
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But even if the Greens lose the political battle over drilling offshore and in places like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), they’re nevertheless way ahead of the game as they implement a back-up plan to make sure that not a drop of that oil ever eases our gasoline crunch.The Sierra Club and the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) successfully pressured the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to block ConocoPhillips’ expansion of its Roxana, IL gasoline refinery, which processes heavy crude oil from Canada, reported the Wall Street Journal (June 9). The project would have expanded the volume of Canadian crude processed from 60,000 barrels per day to more than 500,000 barrels a day by 2015.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Really, this is what you want me to believe??

Why wouldn't we drill where ever it economically recoverable?

Don't skip this part:

Brian, just what wonderful things is the government doing to improve the situation? I'll listen.

[tdietrich1]

Oil companies pretty much have the frigging whole world to drill, and build refineries

Not true.

First EPA rules don't allow importation of refined oil products from refineries abroad that do not meet US laws.

Second, it is against the law to explore, just to look, in oil shale states, and the majority of off the US coast areas by US companies. Since other countries like China, don't follow US law, they are drilling(or in the works) to drill right outside our territorial waters(12 miles).

etc, etc, etc, etc.

tom

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Why wouldn't we drill where ever it economically recoverable?

Don't skip this part:

Brian, just what wonderful things is the government doing to improve the situation? I'll listen.

What situation, the situation that a finite resource that we consume the most of is now being used in greater and greater quantities by the rest of the world.

Why do you always want the govt to bail you out? Whats up with that?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

What situation, the situation that a finite resource that we consume the most of is now being used in greater and greater quantities by the rest of the world.

Why do you always want the govt to bail you out? Whats up with that?

I want the government out of the way so the free market can function.

Drill it 'till it's gone Brian.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by tdietrich1

Not true.

First EPA rules don't allow importation of refined oil products from refineries abroad that do not meet US laws.

Second, it is against the law to explore, just to look, in oil shale states, and the majority of off the US coast areas by US companies. Since other countries like China, don't follow US law, they are drilling(or in the works) to drill right outside our territorial waters(12 miles).

etc, etc, etc, etc.

tom

Ahhhhh the whole world means just that Thomas, BP can go drill anywhere on the globe that they want, as long as they negotiate with whoever is in charge. Free market kinda thing.

As for off shore drilling, ie Florida and California, the people in those states and their elected representatives do not want to drill there. Something about States rights comes to mind, rule of law, etc etc.

The govt is an elected representation of the peoples will, rule of law, etc etc.

We have frigging oil guys in the white house for crying out loud. Cheney cooked up our current energy policy secretly with the help of his oil buddies. We are currently reaping what the Idiots who voted for these buffoons have sowed.

Go back and re read all that crap GW said he was going to do about energy policy.

If you were someone that bought into that crap, then you are to blame for this current mess. Not the EPA, not people living on the coasts, not the Govt, you, the one who picked these guys. You can stamp your feet and hold your breath and point fingers, it won't do any good.

[tdietrich1]

http://www.adn.com/oil/story/434045.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365627,00.html

http://www.offnews.info/verArticulo....tenidoID=11119

BTW, state laws only extend 3 miles off the coast. And the executive branch does not make the laws.

tom

[Christopher Currins]

Maybe our Canadian brothers should turn loose of some of that there oil.

Fortunately, the world's single-largest oil deposit sits right here in North America. Time magazine calls it "Canada's biggest buried treasure." It's an area with up to 2.5 trillion barrels of oil, locked in Alberta sand. That's eight times the total reserves of Saudi Arabia, enough to satisfy the world's demand for petroleum for the next century.


Profit from the Oil Reserve
8 Times Bigger Than Saudi Arabia's

[Michael Larson]

The current "No Zones" prevent American companies from drilling, well, anywhere off the US coastline.
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[Michael Larson]

Although, US law will not allow American companies from drilling for oil off the coast of Florida, the US laws will not stop the Chinese from setting up 36 new oil wells there for Cuba.
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[rmaday]

Originally Posted by mlarson

The current "No Zones" prevent American companies from drilling, well, anywhere off the US coastline.

Red States?

[nwagner]

Michael, could you provide facts from a more credible source ...

On August 27, 2007 the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call revealed that Craig had been arrested for lewd conduct in the men's bathroom at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport on June 11, 2007, and pled guilty to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct on August 8, 2007.[6] As a result of the controversy surrounding his arrest and subsequent guilty plea, Senator Craig announced his intention to resign from the Senate at a news conference on September 1, 2007, which was to become effective on September 30, 2007. After failing to withdraw his guilty plea, on October 4, 2007, Craig released a statement refusing to resign as Senator for Idaho.