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Old 2/6/09, 1:45 PM
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I agree...whole heartedly!!!!!
The rep system would have been fine, if a signature was required.



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Welcome back Jim. I still smell fish though.
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Old 2/6/09, 6:47 PM
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The rep system would have been fine, if a signature was required.
Who do you think you are judging other members? Get thee behind me Satan!



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Who do you think you are judging other members? Get thee behind me Satan!
If you're going to quote from teh good book, lets get the context right.

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23Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."



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Old 2/6/09, 7:09 PM
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If you're going to quote from teh good book, lets get the context right.
It wasn't a quote... I made up the phrase in my head, that is probably why you couldn't find it in your book of fairy tales.

BTW You can tell when I quote something because... I use quotation marks (who would have thunk) furthermore, I italicize the text. Nice try, no cigar, but by all means keep playing.



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Old 2/6/09, 7:10 PM
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I'm reminded of this every time I see two NACHI members fighting with one another and then, after a brief visit from Wand to their thread, the two NACHI members are fighting together to whip the tar out of him.

This NACHI brotherhood. The idiots who do not understand it screams for censorship.
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Old 2/6/09, 7:13 PM
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This NACHI brotherhood. The idiots who do not understand it screams for censorship.
Mostly, censorship like licensing is driven by those who are unwilling or unable to compete on a level playing field, and produces similar results... protection of the inferior.



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Who do you think you are judging other members? Get thee behind me Satan!
I am behind you Satan...where I can keep an eye on you.



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Old 2/6/09, 8:51 PM
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Mostly, censorship like licensing is driven by those who are unwilling or unable to compete on a level playing field, and produces similar results... protection of the inferior.
No joe, nobody was thinking of your safety... when the thought of moderation came up. Sorry



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Old 2/6/09, 10:39 PM
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No joe, nobody was thinking of your safety... when the thought of moderation came up. Sorry
WTF did that RED Box go? On another note, it sure is good to have the iNACHI Village Idiot (iVI®) back. Go Kenny!



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Mostly, censorship like licensing is driven by those who are unwilling or unable to compete on a level playing field, and produces similar results... protection of the inferior.
And here I thought that licensing produced a level playing field, in that the 20 year veteren had to compete with the newly licensed guy.

Thanks for the clear consistacy, Joe. Knew I could count on you



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Old 2/7/09, 3:21 AM
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And here I thought that licensing produced a level playing field, in that the 20 year veteren had to compete with the newly licensed guy.

Thanks for the clear consistacy, Joe. Knew I could count on you

I realize that there are some slow learners in our midst but what appears to be inconsistency regarding the fundamentals of home inspector driven licensing legislation is simply the inability of some to be able to grasp the full dynamic of the effects on both the seasoned experienced home inspector, verses the inexperienced home inspector, let me explain further.

Getting back to my previous remark where I said "licensing is driven by those who are unwilling or unable to compete on a level playing field, and produces similar results... protection of the inferior." This statement refers to seasoned experienced home inspectors who (a) has no desire to keep up with the latest changes and advancements within our profession and uses licensing as a crutch to set a high bar (an unleveled playing field) to secure their market from their less experienced competition. By (b) actually setting the entry level bar higher than the current educational/experience level of the established experienced home inspector. This relates to the fact that there are some new home inspectors whose education and training actually exceed that of established home inspector whose education is obsolete, thus protecting the seasoned but inferior home inspector from the newly high trained home inspector.

That contrasts with the other side of the dynamic in which a new home inspector seek to use licensing to instantly raise his status to the level of the seasoned well established successful home inspector, who like yourself has applied himself to all of the current methodologies and practices and has vast pool of experience upon which to draw.

Licensing is almost always is inferior to free market principals in securing a playing field which rewards those who strive to produce a better product through a combination of verifiable experience and certified education. It is easy to get confused if you are only seeing one side of the problems licensing causes in regards to our marketplace.



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Licensing is the Free Market at it's best. The markets of democratically based society's favor governments, governments favor licensing.
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Well, this couldn't have been planned and scripted any better. Things just work out around here.
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Old 2/7/09, 10:21 AM
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Licensing is the Free Market at it's best. The markets of democratically based society's favor governments, governments favor licensing.
Huh?

Spoken like a true Socialist.

What does the government have to do with "free" markets ?

The government can ensure or limit a true free market.



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