With regards to offshore and other drilling

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Prove "this tired old crap" isn't true instead of whining about it.

When did you become my Mom? If I don't do I have to go my room?

Take your right wing, wing nut theories somewhere else.

We have done the wing nut path long enough and the country has been driven off a cliff.

Isn't there a Bible study missing a hall monitor somewhere you guys cold play at?

Or perhaps a PTA bake sale needs some baked goods police for you Barney Fifes to patrol.
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[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Take your right wing, wing nut theories somewhere else.

We have done the wing nut path long enough and the country has been driven off a cliff.

The left wing, wing nut theories have been proven wrong for decades.

What shall we try next?

[Michael Larson]

News of Pelosi on Drilling
Keep up the pressure

Pelosi indicates openness to offshore drilling vote By Mike Soraghan Posted: 08/11/08 09:51 PM [ET] House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday night dropped her staunch opposition to a vote on offshore oil drilling in the House.
Republicans, reacting to high gas prices, have demanded a vote on additional oil exploration in the Outer Continental Shelf, where drilling is currently blocked by a moratorium. Until now, Pelosi (D-Calif.) has resisted the idea as a “hoax.” But in an interview on CNN’s Larry King Live, she indicated that she was open to a vote.

“They have this thing that says drill offshore in the protected areas,” Pelosi said. “We can do that. We can have a vote on that.” She indicated such a vote would have to be part of a larger package that included other policies, like releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which she said could bring down prices in a matter of days.
“But it has to be part of something that says we want to bring immediate relief to the public and is not just a hoax on them,” Pelosi continued.
She even indicated that she might support a package that includes drilling. She said her decision on whether to support such legislation would depend on how the policies are packaged.

[relliott]

My thought are that local (USA) drilling and adding Nuke plants are a good idea for the short term.

The future is pretty obvious, that we need to go towards Electric as a way of providing energy to private transportation vehicles.

The real question about McCains plan is what will he really do as far as trying to provide an environment which encourages the search for producing alternative ways of producing Electricity.

The suspicion is that his ideas may only include the short term.(drilling)

[Michael Larson]

Obama's plan is to have you inflate your tires.

That's it.

No nuclear, no drilling, no coal.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Obama's plan is to have you inflate your tires.

That's it.

No nuclear, no drilling, no coal.

Mike you are playing politics as you know very well that is not Obamas plan.

You are not dumb enough to believe that ,and you should give others the same courtesy.

McCains cute gimick of passing out tire gauges backfired and ran out of gas

It is shame to use fear as a motivater (shame)

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by relliott

Mike you are playing politics as you know very well that is not Obamas plan.

You are not dumb enough to believe that ,and you should give others the same courtesy.

McCains cute gimick of passing out tire gauges backfired and ran out of gas

It is shame to use fear as a motivater (shame)

OK, wise one.

What's the magical plan that Obama has for energy?

Obama made the stupid tire inflation comment. Shall I post the video?

B.S. on the shame thing. Fear is a great motivator to avoid serious trouble.

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by mlarson

OK, wise one.

What's the magical plan that Obama has for energy?

Obama made the stupid tire inflation comment. Shall I post the video?

B.S. on the shame thing. Fear is a great motivator to avoid serious trouble.

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

• Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump
• Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.
• Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined.
• Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.
• Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.
• Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

ENERGY PLAN OVERVIEW:



Provide Short-term Relief to American Families

• Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families.
• Crack Down on Excessive Energy Speculation.
• Swap Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Cut Prices.
Learn More...


Eliminate Our Need for Middle Eastern and Venezuelan Oil within 10 Years

• Increase Fuel Economy Standards.
• Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015.
• Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles.
• Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard.
• A “Use it or Lose It” Approach to Existing Oil and Gas Leases.
• Promote the Responsible Domestic Production of Oil and Natural Gas.
Learn More...


Create Millions of New Green Jobs

• Ensure 10 percent of Our Electricity Comes from Renewable Sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.
• Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source – Energy Efficiency.
• Weatherize One Million Homes Annually.
• Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology.
• Prioritize the Construction of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline.
Learn More...


Reduce our Greenhouse Gas Emissions 80 Percent by 2050

• Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.
• Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change.



Read the full version of Barack Obama's New Energy for America plan

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by ccurrins

Obama’s comprehensive New Energy for America plan will:

• Provide short-term relief to American families facing pain at the pump

Who pays for that?

• Help create five million new jobs by strategically investing $150 billion over the next ten years to catalyze private efforts to build a clean energy future.

Do you really want the government to pick the right technologies instead of the market place? Can you say Ethanol

• Within 10 years save more oil than we currently import from the Middle East and Venezuela combined.

How?

• Put 1 million Plug-In Hybrid cars -- cars that can get up to 150 miles per gallon -- on the road by 2015, cars that we will work to make sure are built here in America.

How?

• Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.

You're OK with the increased cost of this type of energy?

• Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

Why? More economy crippling regulation if you asked me.

ENERGY PLAN OVERVIEW:



Provide Short-term Relief to American Families

• Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families.

That's just stupid. Oil companies don;t pay the tax. We do in the price of the product. Get some basic economic education will ya?

• Crack Down on Excessive Energy Speculation.

You mean the speculation that has seen the price of a barrel of oil drop more than $30 from their recent highs?

• Swap Oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to Cut Prices.
Learn More...

Piddly amount with likely no effect on price and it will have to be replaced later.


Eliminate Our Need for Middle Eastern and Venezuelan Oil within 10 Years

• Increase Fuel Economy Standards.

This is little more than waving the majic wand of government and pretending it actually does something

• Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015.

See above

• Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles.

Who pays for this?
• Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard.

Why?

• A “Use it or Lose It” Approach to Existing Oil and Gas Leases.

You want them to drill where there MAY be oil instead of drillng where ther IS oil?

• Promote the Responsible Domestic Production of Oil and Natural Gas.
Learn More...

Details please!


Create Millions of New Green Jobs

• Ensure 10 percent of Our Electricity Comes from Renewable Sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.

See above

• Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source – Energy Efficiency.

Partial solution only.

• Weatherize One Million Homes Annually.

Who pays?
• Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology.

Let's do it if it's cost effective.

• Prioritize the Construction of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline.
Learn More...

Did you check with the enviromentists on this one?


Reduce our Greenhouse Gas Emissions 80 Percent by 2050

• Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050.

Again, why?

• Make the U.S. a Leader on Climate Change.

Again again, why?



Read the full version of Barack Obama's New Energy for America plan

Wait, I'll have to get a barf bucket and waders.

[William J. Decker]

As a (former) phyicist who regularly reads the scientific journals, let me state:

1) Solar, while a start, can no way provide anywhere near the energy that these guys say. MAYBE, if there is a bog break through in the technology, but that is not on the horizion and is definately, not off-the-shelf, as Gore claims.

2) Wind, while also good, can in no way replace anywhere near the amount of energy that these guys claim.

3) Why exclude nuclear. No one has ever died as a result of a commercial Nuke plant in the U.S. 3 mile island, where they predicted thousands of deaths, was totally over played and did not cause any problems (other than the clean up). France gets 80% of its energy from Nuclear, Japan is a little less. And don't buy the BS about the waste storage. That is all about blockage by the Sierra club and the neo-luddites.

4) We simply cannot completely eliminate petroleum. Don't believe me?

Well, answer these:

1) How can one run an airplane on solar or wind?
2) One word, "Plastics".
3) Another word, "Chemicals".

5) The most promising solution, clean energy, low construction and operation costs and very inexpensive and virtually inexhaustable fuel, no toxic or radioactive waste products and very little money going into it. Fusion. But, it's "too nuclear" for the ignorant.

Just my 2 1/2 cents.

[relliott]

How far have we come in fusion energy.?

Is it perfected and ready for use Will?

If not then why po po on solar, wind and other forms of energy as a not complete , but as a comprehensive package that when working all together at the infancy stage will encourage more research to perfect them till we have a clear winner (hopefully).

Remember a roofer can be licensed but still have the wrong idea about how to do things.(refering to flashing of past credentials)

I seem to recall Jimmy Carter having some science education to, for all the good it did.

[Michael Larson]

Bob, solar voltaic and wind power cannot survive without government subsidy.

Just like Ethanol.

Basic research into the problems of these alternate technologies is fine but subsidizing non viable current technology is pouring money down the drain.

Will we never learn?

[relliott]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Bob, solar voltaic and wind power cannot survive without government subsidy.

Just like Ethanol.

Basic research into the problems of these alternate technologies is fine but subsidizing non viable current technology is pouring money down the drain.

Will we never learn?

Guess you never heard of Pickensplan.com

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by relliott

Guess you never heard of Pickensplan.com

Ya right.

Read This

T. Boone is counting on government subsidies.

[klott]

My plan is to stop selling cars to the Middle East, they can go back to Camels. Stop letting leftwingers from driving to reduce domestic consumption. Stop leftwingers from eating, to reduce greenhouse gases. outlaw the Democratic party from talking,(Hot Air) to reduce Global Warming.