Rotflmao!

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Can a soldier who takes life in combat be pro-life by your reckoning or would he be a hypocrite?

He would be a hypocrite.

Can a soldier who is simply opposed to abortion blow the hell out of enemy? Of course.

"Pro-Life" means more than the meaning applied to it by conservative Republicans. Republicans apply "Pro-Life" as a synonym for "Anti-Abortion" and will justify the execution of a criminal, bombing a hospital by accident, and pulling the plug on Aunt Harriet.

To others, "Pro-Life" holds all life to be sacred and...just because a government allows something to be "okay"...it can still be wrong.

When you proclaim "life" itself to be sacred...you become an insufficient judge to select when and under what circumstances that might change.

You cannot have it both ways.

[Michael Larson]

Are you saying that a "just war" can only be prosecuted by hypocrites?

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by jbushart

He would be a hypocrite.

Can a soldier who is simply opposed to abortion blow the hell out of enemy? Of course.

"Pro-Life" means more than the meaning applied to it by conservative Republicans. Republicans apply "Pro-Life" as a synonym for "Anti-Abortion" and will justify the execution of a criminal, bombing a hospital by accident, and pulling the plug on Aunt Harriet.

To others, "Pro-Life" holds all life to be sacred and...just because a government allows something to be "okay"...it can still be wrong.

When you proclaim "life" itself to be sacred...you become an insufficient judge to select when and under what circumstances that might change.

You cannot have it both ways.

Pro-Life = Advocating full legal protection of human embryos or fetuses, especially by opposing legalized abortion.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Are you saying that a "just war" can only be prosecuted by hypocrites?

No.

Good men fight and kill in all wars.

Being "Pro-Life" is not a prerequisite to be a good man.

You are a good man, and you still condone the imposition of death on others.

You are just not "Pro-Life". You are anti-abortion. There is a difference.

I am pointing out hypocrisy...as does Jon Stewart in the video that this thread is about...of those who claim to be "Pro-Life" and condone killing people.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rstufflebeem

Pro-Life = Advocating full legal protection of human embryos or fetuses, especially by opposing legalized abortion.

A very convenient definition.

I think bin Laden has a definition of "airplane pilot" that would not be shared by all, either....but suits his purpose, as well.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

No.

Is that flip flop?

Good men fight and kill in all wars.

I agree.

Being "Pro-Life" is not a prerequisite to be a good man.

Can a hypocrite be a good man ?

You are a good man, and you still condone the imposition of death on others.

When justified by the law or as a soldier in a just war, yes.

You are just not "Pro-Life". You are anti-abortion. There is a difference.

The term Pro-Life is not what you decide it is Jim.
Can a meat eater be pro-lief?

I am pointing out hypocrisy...as does Jon Stewart in the video that this thread is about...of those who claim to be "Pro-Life" and condone killing people.

I am less convinced of the hypocrisy" pointed out by comedian John Stewart than you.

It tries to equate what Rove said of two different situations as equal.
On the surface they may appear to some the same and maybe they are. Now had he said it about Palin before she was selected you would have a clearer example of hypocrisy.

I find it fascinating that you are able to minimize the hypocrisy of Obama and Biden to the point of non existance while laughing at the apparent hipocracy of others.

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by jbushart

A very convenient definition.

I think bin Laden has a definition of "airplane pilot" that would not be shared by all, either....but suits his purpose, as well.

Thats pretty good!

Jim; What is your definition and what makes it the correct one?

[ldapkus]

John McCain and Barack Obama somehow ended up at the congressional barbershop at the same time. As they sat there, each was being worked on by a different barber, not a word was spoken.

The barbers were afraid to start a conversation, for fear it would turn to politics. As the barbers finished their shaves, the one who had Obama in his chair reached for the aftershave. Obama was quick to stop him saying, 'No, thanks my wife, Michelle, will smell that and think. I've been in a whorehouse,'

The second barber turned to Senator McCain and said, 'How about your aftershave Senator McCain?' McCain replied, 'Go ahead. My wife doesn't know what the inside of a whorehouse smells like.'

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

In the You-Just-Can't-Make-This-Level-of-Hypocrisy-Up Department!


How comical, even more McSame hypocrisy!
While McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, he supports amending state constitutions defining marriage as between a man and a woman, all the while his Cheif of Staff is gay, who woulda thunk? Just another failed vetting.

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McCain Staffer Outed To Show Candidate's "Hypocrisy"


John McCain and his campaign are about to be getting all sorts of gay press.

Blogger Mike Rogers appeared on Michelangelo Signorile's radio show today to reveal that Mark Buse, Senator McCain's chief-of-staff, goes for the guys.

Why is this a big deal? Well, first and foremost, McCain's running with ardently anti-gay Sarah Palin, a woman who scares us more than killer drag queens from outer space.

Also, there's McCain kissing social conservative butt in exchange for electoral love.

What does John McCain’s loyal chief of staff – a man who apparently is in a long-term relationship with another man, and appears to be open about it to John McCain -- think about the fact that Sarah Palin devoutly worships at a church that promotes “converting” gays to heterosexuality? What, conversely, does she think of him? More importantly, what does John McCain think about all of this? And don’t we deserve some answers from the American media?


Sources: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...of+Staff+Outed

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

While McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, he supports amending state constitutions defining marriage as between a man and a woman, all the while his Cheif of Staff is gay, who woulda thunk? Just another failed vetting.

Proof of failed vetting please.

What does hiring a gay staff member have to do with McCain's stand on the definition of marriage.

NOTHING

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rstufflebeem

Thats pretty good!

Jim; What is your definition and what makes it the correct one?

I have no preferred or "correct" definition in my pocket.

I simply take the term "Pro-Life" to mean as it says: Favoring life over any other alternative under any circumstance.

The anti-abortion folks hijacked it and used it as a "politically correct" term without fully understanding the expectations that come with favoring life over other alternatives.

Some do, but as Mike has pointed out, some are only in favor of life as an alternative when it comes to abortion. They do not value the life of a criminal as much...in spite of all that they have been taught to the contrary.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I simply take the term "Pro-Life" to mean as it says: Favoring life over any other alternative under any circumstance.

The anti-abortion folks hijacked it and used it as a "politically correct" term without fully understanding the expectations that come with favoring life over other alternatives.

Some do, but as Mike has pointed out, some are only in favor of life as an alternative when it comes to abortion. They do not value the life of a criminal as much...in spite of all that they have been taught to the contrary.

Your making it up James.

Millions of pro-lifers have no problem with the death penalty for murderers.

It not a matter of valuing the criminal's life.
He is valuable before his creator. He remains so.
It's a matter of earthly justice in the case of taking someone else's life i.e. murder

Your are trapped by a dogma that makes little sense to many.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Proof of failed vetting please.

What does hiring a gay staff member have to do with McCain's stand on the definition of marriage.

NOTHING

I forgot, in your world economy is everything and if the means justifies the end then full speed ahead. Me, I could care less, but how do you think Sarah will do when confronted with the obvious (to everyone besides you) disparity of being anti-gay and having a gay Chief of Staff by the media and all of those conservative white-haired folks in places like The Villages? My guess is either Sarah or Mark Buse will be history before the week is out, what do you think?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Your are trapped by a dogma that makes little sense to many.

What lacks sense...but not hypocrosy...is for one to say he is "Pro-Life"...but only for unborn children. Lives of adults in prisons or hospital beds are excluded.

This is the stereotypical conservative Republican nonsense that so many people can so easily target for justified criticism.

Reagan...elected by many for his Pro-Life/anti-abortion stance...as the Republican Governor of California signed into law (before Roe v. Wade) a comprehensive bill allowing abortion as an alternative to birth control.

You cannot legislate morality and those who try will always be the focus of humor in the political spectrum.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

What lacks sense...but not hypocrosy...is for one to say he is "Pro-Life"...but only for unborn children. Lives of adults in prisons or hospital beds are excluded.

Please stop misrepresenting my position. I am not pro-euthanasia.
I am anti-murder and pro-capital punishment for convicted murders who are found eligible for the death penalty.
Punishment that fits the crime is not a difficult concept to get your arms around and it is permitted under our constitution.

This is the stereotypical conservative Republican nonsense that so many people can so easily target for justified criticism.

Your making less and less sense all the time Jim.
Your criticism is without merit. We are trapped in a dogma without scriptural support.

Reagan...elected by many for his Pro-Life/anti-abortion stance...as the Republican Governor of California signed into law (before Roe v. Wade) a comprehensive bill allowing abortion as an alternative to birth control.

Do we have to go over that again?
Misrepresenting Reagan's Pro-life record.
You are engaging in halftruth in a vain attempt to make yourself feel better about your decision. I guess you didn't get it last time either.
Have you lost your love for Reagan?

You cannot legislate morality and those who try will always be the focus of humor in the political spectrum.

Now your nonsensical Jim.
Capital punishment is not legislating morality it is simply dispensing appropriate justice.