Scumbag NAHI hits new low at ASTM meeting yesterday.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Although ASHI had a fair share of Officers, BOD, Members and Past Officers to talk against this proposal - When the vote went down a fair share of the ASHI Members in the room voted to proceed forward.

Dan,
Were you in the room?
Did you even attend this convention?

[Joe Farsetta]

Frank,

Dan was there.

But...

I find the following statement, taken from the ASTM website, and regarding a meeting held back in September, pretty fishy... Here it is:

At a planning meeting held September 10, 2006, key members of the residential inspection industry, including a diverse collection of service providers, unanimously agreed to hold an organizational meeting for the development of this new activity within ASTM International.

Best defense is a good offense. Take their legs out from under them. Their mandate is non-existent, as the initial meeting was bogus. Who were those key members of the residential inspection industry? Who were the diverse collection of service providers.

Representatives from a single org doesnt cut it, IMO.

[Nick Gromicko]

ASHI's B.O.D. ALL spoke in opposition. They all sat together in the front left two rows. None of them voted in favor. I was there.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Frank,

Dan was there.

But...

I find the following statement, taken from the ASTM website, and regarding a meeting held back in September, pretty fishy... Here it is:

At a planning meeting held September 10, 2006, key members of the residential inspection industry, including a diverse collection of service providers, unanimously agreed to hold an organizational meeting for the development of this new activity within ASTM International.

Best defense is a good offense. Take their legs out from under them. Their mandate is non-existent, as the initial meeting was bogus. Who were those key members of the residential inspection industry? Who were the diverse collection of service providers.

Representatives from a single org doesnt cut it, IMO.

You are asking the same question from the same quote I have been
asking. These are nothing more than self appointed members
trying to start a flash fire for their own agenda. This meeting was
a ploy with NAHI manipulating the vote.

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its activities. Standards are developed within committees, and new
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Membership in most committees is voluntary and is initiated by the
member's own request, not by appointment nor by invitation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASTM_International

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

ASHI's B.O.D. ALL spoke in opposition. They all sat together in the front left two rows. None of them voted in favor. I was there.

Could it be that Dan is wrong? Please say that it isn't so! Please say that he did not make this up!

It is strange that a person can be so seditious and still remain a member.

[Nick Gromicko]

Here is an actual PIC of them during my talk: http://www.nachi.org/gromickoatastm.htm

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Nick was there; I was there; and I saw Keith Swift there. I haven't seen anybody else post that was. If I've missed any of you - please stand up.

Nick was right. The ASHI BOD & Officers AND Noel Zak from EBPHI / NHIE were MOSTLY seated front 2 rows to the moderators right side. Please remember I've been in ASHI over 22 years. I know a lot of them that you guys wouldn't. I've served 3 times on their National BOD; been Chapter President of 2 different Chapters; and belonged to 4 different ASHI Chapters as we moved around the country. I also train other inspectors.

The heirarchy voted against. Quite a few rank & file voted the other way at the end, including 1 past Officer. Nothing else to say at this time.

What I found amazing was so many of my old cronies at ASHI talking FOUL - when thats exactly how we used to play the game in getting licensing set up somewhere OR in getting the NHIE in play in different states.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Here is an actual PIC of them during my talk: http://www.nachi.org/gromickoatastm.htm

Are you glad that you went? Was it worthwhile or was it a wasted trip?

[Nick Gromicko]

Oh it was worthwhile but not with regard to the ASTM meeting, see post #25. I got us NACHI members something pretty awesome. I also got something for all the NACHI-friendly software companies too.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Nick was there; I was there; and I saw Keith Swift there. I haven't seen anybody else post that was. If I've missed any of you - please stand up.

Nick was right. The ASHI BOD & Officers AND Noel Zak from EBPHI / NHIE were MOSTLY seated front 2 rows to the moderators right side. Please remember I've been in ASHI over 22 years. I know a lot of them that you guys wouldn't. I've served 3 times on their National BOD; been Chapter President of 2 different Chapters; and belonged to 4 different ASHI Chapters as we moved around the country. I also train other inspectors.
Dan,
Now I see why you slant toward ASHI and against NACHI. This is not a disparagement, just an observation.
The heirarchy voted against. Quite a few rank & file voted the other way at the end, including 1 past Officer. Nothing else to say at this time.

What I found amazing was so many of my old cronies at ASHI talking FOUL - when thats exactly how we used to play the game in getting licensing set up somewhere OR in getting the NHIE in play in different states.

So ... This ASHI technique is not unique to New Hampshire.
Since 1998, we have been fighting the local ASHI Chapter and ASHI members from 5-New England states.
They use this technique all of the time. We have not had any help on the national level, and we do not have the money for a lobbyist, but we have kicked their butts and their lobbyist’s butts each and every year.
The fight started in 1998 and continues to this day. We will not give up in 2007!

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Oh it was worthwhile but not with regard to the ASTM meeting, see post #25. I got us NACHI members something pretty awesome. I also got something for all the NACHI-friendly software companies too.

Quote:
In case you think that nothing good came out of this, our fearless leader rarely returns to camp without bringing something back for the membership, and this trip was no exception, as you will see in the days to come. It was a rare treat for me to see him in action. Hate to sound like a sycophant (servile), but when nature wants something done, she creates a genius, and if he's not a genius he's a rare individual indeed. End Quote:

Okay, What it is it, and when will it be announced?

[tneumann]

Keith,

Although your longish post was lacking a bit in readability due to lack of paragraphs ..(teasing)....I think everyone should read it carefully as it is well thought out and very well put.

Thank you for taking the time to write that.

[Keith Swift, PhD.]

Tony, Thanks. Dan, I can't steel Nick's thunder. However, seeing him "in action" was something I'll never forget.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by kswift

However, seeing him "in action" was something I'll never forget.

Many of us who have come to admire the genius of Nick Gromicko (we are called "Kool Ade Drinkers" in some circles) have good reason to. NACHI, and its unprecedented impact on our profession, is no accident.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Frank -

When you say I slant toward ASHI ???????????

Thats a funny remark. Many of the crowd over at ASHI accuse of slanting too much toward NACHI. Private email Paul S, or John B, or Blaine W. and ask them the question.