What should be our new membership requirement?

[Jason A. Sieg, CMI]

Originally Posted by jonofrey

Someone please help me to understand how increasing currently non-enforced requirements accomplishes anything.

I'm looking at this from the point of view of those of us that do follow the requirements and not those who just don't care.

I agree that their are a lot of people out their that need the rules enforced, but I don't think that will happen. That is why I don't want those of us that follow the rules to be burdened even more. If NACHI wants to burden those who do follow rules, do it with something that we can benefit from not something that will affect our pockets!

We do not need more costs or fees.

[Doug Edwards, CMI]

Remember, you asked for input. I find it a little damned disingenuous for a couple of guys who won't be required to do the additional CEUs to come up with new rules and requirements for everyone else to do. Reminds me a lot of Congress. When you guys get bored, go to the bar but please do not think up more things for me to do. My plate is already pretty full, thank you! There are many who have more irons in the fire than just home inspections. Just one more thing added on by someone else may mean making a choice of dropping one or more unnecessary requirements. I know I am not alone in thinking this. It is simple math. Most people can only keep only so many balls in the air while juggling the day to day operation of their business and family obligations.

Nachi already far outdistances all other organizations for annual requirements. One only has to read the BB for a few days to see that many inspectors spend countless hours doing inspections only to be faced with more hours of work after coming home to do the reports. Like others have said, if NACHI becomes too much of a burden I think many will look for the EXITS.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Remember, you asked for input. I find it a little damned disingenuous for a couple of guys who won't be required to do the additional CEUs to come up with new rules and requirements for everyone else to do.

Doug,

Well worth repeating. It appears that everyone believes they know what is best for us... if it ain't friggin' licensing bull***** then it is just something as equally outrageous and like you I'm getting pretty tired of it.

[bwardlow]

I myself would like to see a set number of charter meetings requirememt. Not only does it accomplish member interaction it can only make for a stronger organization. It should be a win win requirement. It should also create more chapters because if you don't want to travel far for a meeting, then create a local chapter. There are not enough chapters. Its only my opinion but strength is in numbers. I am still struggling to create a chapter. I can't stop thinking that all the information and free materials available would hinder anyones bussiness. Then again I am willing to share to succeed. Aren't we suppossed to be helping each other. I hope some day soon I will be in the position to say I don't have the time.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by jsieg

I'm looking at this from the point of view of those of us that do follow the requirements and not those who just don't care.

I agree that their are a lot of people out their that need the rules enforced, but I don't think that will happen. That is why I don't want those of us that follow the rules to be burdened even more. If NACHI wants to burden those who do follow rules, do it with something that we can benefit from not something that will affect our pockets!

We do not need more costs or fees.

Amen; It is that simple.

Marcel

[Bill C. Merrell, CMI]

#1 and # 2 are closely related- anything in increase professionalism is generally supported

If there is a specific course that would help in NY, I would donate time and space to offer a class. This would help thpse who are financialy strapped. In reality there are thousands of hours of free ce out there it should not be a financial question.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by bmerrell

#1 and # 2 are closely related- anything in increase professionalism is generally supported

If there is a specific course that would help in NY, I would donate time and space to offer a class. This would help thpse who are financialy strapped. In reality there are thousands of hours of free ce out there it should not be a financial question.

Bill, I think that is quite generous of you, but unfortunately only provides this generosity to the folks in NY.

Thanks

Marcel


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[James H. Bushart]

Well, so far we have not heard from a single seller of CEUs who oppose additional educational requirements. Why does this not surprise me?

Continuing education is important and not everyone limits themselves to the minimum number of required CEUs, anyway. Additionally, as some have pointed out, there are no audits being conducted to ensure compliance of the existing CEU requirements.

What other areas can we address that would set the NACHI member apart from other home inspectors? That is the objective behind the change, isn't it?

[Steven L. Smith]

Keeping with the two suggestions by Nick, I think NACHI should, as an organization, every single year come up with an online education course such as the current roofing and electrical courses. Then, each member must take, and pass, that course during that year. Topics go on forever and, once everything basic was exhausted (years worth) there could be new things added: On demand water heaters, heat pumps, hazardous materials, mold, you name it, and over the years it would be a wonderful archive as well. That takes the busy-work of trying to arrange all this out of the hands of the local inspector. It also keeps an inspector's cost of doing business down while adding to his or her breadth of information, so this does not lead to a financial burden. Personally, I thought the two technical online courses were very good and would like to see more and this would assure that.

Steve

[Jae Williams]

Originally Posted by ssmith

Keeping with the two suggestions by Nick, I think NACHI should, as an organization, every single year come up with an online education course such as the current roofing and electrical courses. Then, each member must take, and pass, that course during that year. Topics go on forever and, once everything basic was exhausted (years worth) there could be new things added: On demand water heaters, heat pumps, hazardous materials, mold, you name it, and over the years it would be a wonderful archive as well. That takes the busy-work of trying to arrange all this out of the hands of the local inspector. It also keeps an inspector's cost of doing business down while adding to his or her breadth of information, so this does not lead to a financial burden. Personally, I thought the two technical online courses were very good and would like to see more and this would assure that.

Steve

I like it...let's do it.

[John McKenna]

Does NACHI reward CE credits to veteran home inspectors
who help other inspectors with ride along inspections?

Of course, the veterans inspector should be offered some
money for his time and help (the newbie can work that out
with his mentor) ... IMHO.

This would encourage a good thing.

I think a list of veteran inspectors should be made and
new members could go to that page to find help
in their area.

If this already exist, then I have missed it.

Also... if CMI inspectors were the ones limited
to provide this help... then veterans could list
themselves on their personal web site as a ...
"NACHI APPROVED TRAINER"... this adds
to an inspectors list of credentials.

Hey, every little bit helps and this would be
a worthy designation for those willing to help...

as always... IMHO

If Nick want to push this... I will help.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Well, so far we have not heard from a single seller of CEUs who oppose additional educational requirements. Why does this not surprise me?

Jim, read my post, I did not support any increase in the number of eductinal hours I support the issue of mandating that a portion of the require CE be of a more advanced nature.

Regards

Gerry

[Darrell B. Hadler]

Nick; I don't feel you have to increase the requirements to make NACHI more reputable. I think it's just fine as-is...I know for the majority that are in established areas/chapters its easy to attain these extras. But for many of us, it is extremely difficult to attain. Please keep the Online courses coming...thats the best yet! and maybe even look into having online mold/others classes available, like some schools are doing? I'm sure you could even go as far as doing online moch inspections with HIGH QUALITY pictures etc. and see if you could spot the deficiencies and type up, or fill in a standard type inspection form, along with comments etc. Just an opinion.

I think part of CMI should take care of the more advanced things/learning rather than just increasing the basic requirements.?

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Does NACHI reward CE credits to veteran home inspectors
who help other inspectors with ride along inspections?

Of course, the veterans inspector should be offered some
money for his time and help (the newbie can work that out
with his mentor) ... IMHO.

This would encourage a good thing.

I think a list of veteran inspectors should be made and
new members could go to that page to find help
in their area.

If this already exist, then I have missed it.

John, any member can garner a maximum of 10 hours CE per year through mentoring other inspectors, this policy has been in place for 2 years at least;

http://www.nachi.org/cont_education.htm

Regards

Gerry

[Jae Williams]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Does NACHI reward CE credits to veteran home inspectors
who help other inspectors with ride along inspections?

Of course, the veterans inspector should be offered some
money for his time and help (the newbie can work that out
with his mentor) ... IMHO.

This would encourage a good thing.

I think a list of veteran inspectors should be made and
new members could go to that page to find help
in their area.

If this already exist, then I have missed it.

Also... if CMI inspectors were the ones limited
to provide this help... then veterans could list
themselves on their personal web site as a ...
"NACHI APPROVED TRAINER"... this adds
to an inspectors list of credentials.

Hey, every little bit helps and this would be
a worthy designation for those willing to help...

as always... IMHO

If Nick want to push this... I will help.

Three I rode with didn't charge me...and asked for my opinion on a lot of things (Oh what a team we would make)...I learned quite a bit on those rides.

The only time I mentored someone a year or so ago, he bought my lunch. (If I knew he was going to pay I would have ordered more)

I dunno, I think it helps both parties, this ride along thing. Should every thing we do be financially based??...