... They Used the "L" Word!

[Michael Bazzo]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

I contend that g-d is imaginary. It is easy to prove to yourself the evidence is all around you. Here are 50 simple proofs; but my favorite one is this: A thoughtful person who thinks about God cannot help but notice the amazing contradictions. They are everywhere you look.




Here is one very simple example. On the day Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. To punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:

• Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.

So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.

When you look at slavery, you get the same feeling of total contradiction. It is obvious to modern human beings that slavery is an abomination. The fact that God is a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible shows us that God is imaginary.

A recent issue of Christianity Today featured this cover:

The cover story is: 5 Reasons Torture Is Always Wrong.

If you think about it, you can see the contradiction here. What does God plan to do to people who do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior? According to the Christian faith, he plans to torture them for eternity in the fires of hell. Since we all know that torture is always wrong, we have a contradiction.



According to Genesis, God also tortures all women for eternity with painful childbirth. For her trangression of eating the fruit, God says to Eve:

• "I will greatly increase your pains in Childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."

This, of course, is torture. Inflicting excruciating pain on someone as punishment is the dictionary definition of torture, as you can see here:

• tor·ture: Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion. [ref]

So, according to the Bible, God is the universe's all-powerful torturer. Unfortunately, according to Christianity Today, torture is always wrong. The fact that a perfect God is doing something that is always wrong shows you the contradiction.
If you would simply look at and accept how obvious these contradictions are, you can see the truth: God is imaginary. The evidence is all around you.

The word "kill" in Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17 means "murder." The proper translation is THOU SHALT NOT MURDER. It is interesting that in Matthew 19:18 the KJV correctly translates the Sixth Commandment: "Thou shalt do no murder." The Hebrew word (ratsach) and the Greek Word (phonenō) which are used in the Sixth Commandment both clearly mean "murder." The Hebrew language has a general word for killing (the verb muwth, meaning "to cause to die") and the Greek language has a general word for killing (the verb apokteinō), but these general terms for killing are not used in the Sixth Commandment. Instead very specific words are used which forbid MURDER.

Murder involves killing unlawfully with premeditated malice. It involves a deliberate, planned, pre-mediated attack against a fellow human being for the purpose of taking his life for reasons that are purely sinful.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Looks like you're becoming the minority on that thought.
And......
Signed by more than 10,000 clergy members:
An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science: "...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..."

I'm glad many are starting to understand. I'll widen my question in my previous post from just Catholics to any religious person. What do you think about this?

Like all religions the majority of their adherents are what society would label as "good people" most are not concerned in changing the world or controlling their neighbors and go about their lives in quiet reverent devotion. It is the 80/20 rule that we see in so many other areas of our lives. The danger to society, government and personal freedom comes from the 20% of what many label as "fundamentalist" and all religions have a fundamentalist wing whose goal is to control and subdue everyone and everything. The danger of course is granting these people any power which they then subvert for their agenda and political world view. They are very easy to spot, the one thing all fundamentalist believe is that their religion is the "one true religion" and that all others are false and should be denied. It does not take very much effort to discern who they are.

[Mark Nahrgang]

Originally Posted by kpierce

So you're saying that since the majority of the free worlds population adopted this calendar that it's a given truth? Following that logic, when Obama wins the presidency based off the majority of the people's beliefs, does that mean you will fall in line and agree with everything he says?

NO I'm saying that is just one of may proofs of Jesus' existence.

[Mark Nahrgang]

Originally Posted by kpierce

I'll never say the Bible is false. I just don't have any reason to believe it's true.

Yet you have never read it. Once again, seems close minded.

[Mark Nahrgang]

Originally Posted by kpierce

I'll ask again since no one ever answered. Will anyone who is religious agree that the Bible may be wrong.

No..

[Mark Nahrgang]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Looks like you're becoming the minority on that thought.
And......
Signed by more than 10,000 clergy members:
An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science: "...We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children..."

I'm glad many are starting to understand. I'll widen my question in my previous post from just Catholics to any religious person. What do you think about this?

10,000 clergy members from where? Not my church. And not from anyone who has seriously studied evolutionary science with an opened mind. There are way too many holes in the theory to be taken seriously unless you have an Atheistic bias to support.

[Mark Nahrgang]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Like all religions the majority of their adherents are what society would label as "good people" most are not concerned in changing the world or controlling their neighbors and go about their lives in quiet reverent devotion. It is the 80/20 rule that we see in so many other areas of our lives. The danger to society, government and personal freedom comes from the 20% of what many label as "fundamentalist" and all religions have a fundamentalist wing whose goal is to control and subdue everyone and everything. The danger of course is granting these people any power which they then subvert for their agenda and political world view. They are very easy to spot, the one thing all fundamentalist believe is that their religion is the "one true religion" and that all others are false and should be denied. It does not take very much effort to discern who they are.

The same could be said of the Atheist who would threaten to kill someone for sharing their faith.

Once again, I've got work to do, so I'll leave you all to your distractions...

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

The same could be said of the Atheist who would threaten to kill someone for sharing their faith.

Once again, I've got work to do, so I'll leave you all to your distractions...

So NOW you are saying that the Freedom From Religion (IE. atheism) is guaranteed under the Constitution? Just last week you threatened to come over to my house and violently force your religion on me & my family because you claimed that atheism (IE the Freedom From Religion) is not guaranteed to me as a United States citizen.

Mark, get your **** together, which is it... Are atheists allows to not believe in religion or do you have the Constitutional right to kill all atheist or force us to believe in a religion? You Fundy's just can't have it both ways.

Why debate dogma?

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

If we take Mark's claim that American citizens have NO Constitutionally guaranteed Freedom From Religion under the 1st Amendment all the way out to its final conclusion... Then laws can be passed requiring American citizens of the United States to HAVE a religion -AND- if that law is violated then some form of violence, incarceration or fine can be prescribed to those who refuse to obey the law.

Is this the kind of country we want to live in? A place where not believing in a religion can label you as a criminal and subject you to prosecution and incarceration or capital punishment? Because that is the outcome if we take Mark's assumption that American citizens living in the United States under the Constitution are not "Free From Religion" under the 1st Amendment. If we are not free from religion then we are not free at all, none of us.

[Michael Bazzo]

... They Used the "L"... 10/22/08 10:55 AMFor larson



Nice try, but I ain't buying it. Guess you couldn't come up with an intelligent answer so you have to play child games as usual

[Kenneth Lott]

Originally Posted by kpierce

BTW, why do accept that dinosaurs walked the Earth. Because there's a fossil record? Why then don't you accept that evolution takes place? We have evidence of that as well.

No evidence, just theories, they keep saying they are looking for the missing link. They will never find it. You say you have never read the Bible, but yet you claim it is false.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

No..

Who's close minded?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Who's close minded?

You. You refuse to have an intelligent debate based on logic or reason.

Bye now.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by klott

No evidence, just theories, they keep saying they are looking for the missing link. They will never find it. You say you have never read the Bible, but yet you claim it is false.

There is plenty of evidence Kenn, that leads to the theory. And Mark's the one who claimed I've never read the Bible. I haven't read the entire Bible, just enough to reveal it's true purpose.....to control the masses. And in many instances spread hate.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

You. You refuse to have an intelligent debate based on logic or reason.

Bye now.

I think any objective person who reads this thread will agree that I've been very logical. However, I'll be happy to end it because it will go on forever.