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[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

You, exist right?
Yes, I exist.

Now if there was truly nothing and the scientists tell us, where did you come from?
You have to be more specific. The theory I believe that points to the truth is the Big Bang theory. And your follow up will be what happened before the Big Bang. My answer is I have no idea but I haven't created a magical being to be the answer. I accept that no one has the answer and we will probably never know.
What percentage of the biblical record would have to be proved to you to make you realize that it is likely all accurate?
If I was presented with overwhelming evidence that the Bible accurately depicted geological regions, I would accept that ancient men accurately recorded this data. And if I saw empirical evidence of Moses parting the seas and Jesus coming back to life, I would accept the evidence. So far, there is neither. So my beliefs are based on scientific theories rather than a book written by ancient men.

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[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

What someone else says or thinks is irrelevant that is their opinion.

The opinion of the Pope is irrelevant? The opinion of the 10,000 clergymen that signed that letter is irrelevant? Isn't the Bible written by prophets and their opinions on the way you should live your life? My understanding of religion is that you rely 100% on the opinions given in the Bible. Am I wrong?

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

About what?

About accepting that evolution takes place.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

It goes now where because you have refused three times to explain what evidence you would accept as proof.

It is obvious to most that you have no interest in discovery, so I'm done here.

Others can waste their time with you if they so desire. Bye.

What, I say WHAT friggin' proof could you offer and who are you to be believed after all of the shenanigans YOU have been involved in here on this website? Give me a break already.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by kpierce

You refuse to answer many questions Michael.
1. What do you think about 10,000 clergymen and the Pope agreeing that evolution takes place?
2. Are you willing to admit that the Bible may be wrong?

Those 10,000 clergymen don't go to Mikey's church therefore they have no creditable voice in the public square, soon Mikey's public square will be so small that it will only include him & the voices which run rampant in his head.

[Michael Larson]

What empirical evidence do you have that that something can come from nothing i.e. the Big Bang or the beginning of life or that anything goes from a state of disorganization to an organized state.

The Big Bang insists that everything came from an infinitesimal point that suddenly without cause or action by an outside force burst into the universe.

BTW-I didn't create anything.

To be honest with you empirical evidence alone will never convince you of God's existence.

I imagine that the record of witnesses to Jesus resurrection will not convince you either.

What you really have to ask yourself is if you were judged by the what the bible says about you, would you be found guilty of God's law or not?

You have made a god in your image and insist that he act in a manner to your liking. Believe I understand.

But God has provided a means where by we can be reconciled to Him and His name is Jesus.

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me. Jn. 14:6

Until you accept the possibility that God exists and have endeavored to knowand learn about Him nothing I say will change your mind.

There really is nothing more to say until you have done some work on your end as your argument is with God not me.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

There really is nothing more to say until you have done some work on your end as your argument is with God not me.

Bull**** the argument is... People who wish to live out their lives removed from the tentacles of religion in all of its ugly and perverted forms are shat upon by people like you who believe you know what is best for us and everyone. Just piss off and please leave us alone, besides your threats of violence fall on deaf ears as we are fully cognizant that no one here ever gets out alive.

[Kenneth Lott]

Kevin, I am sure the Big Bang Theory came out of a book also, therefore it does not exist.

[Kenneth Lott]

Joe's right Michael, he will never get out alive. Accept it and move on.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

What empirical evidence do you have that that something can come from nothing i.e. the Big Bang or the beginning of life or that anything goes from a state of disorganization to an organized state.
I don't. And I'm not telling you that the Big Bang is the truth. However, you are trying to tell me that the Bible is the truth. Do you understand the difference?
The Big Bang insists that everything came from an infinitesimal point that suddenly without cause or action by an outside force burst into the universe.
Yes.
BTW-I didn't create anything.
I know.
To be honest with you empirical evidence alone will never convince you of God's existence.
It absolutely would Michael.
I imagine that the record of witnesses to Jesus resurrection will not convince you either.
People can say whatever they want. Testimonials are not empirical evidence.
What you really have to ask yourself is if you were judged by the what the bible says about you, would you be found guilty of God's law or not?
According to the Bible, I will burn in hell forever. Doesn't really sound fair to me but it is was it is.
You have made a god in your image and insist that he act in a manner to your liking. Believe I understand.

But God has provided a means where by we can be reconciled to Him and His name is Jesus.

Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me. Jn. 14:6

Quoting scripture doesn't change the anything.
Until you accept the possibility that God exists and have endeavored to knowand learn about Him nothing I say will change your mind.
I accept the possibility with all of my heart. I have never said God doesn't exist and I have never said the Bible is wrong. I am a logical, rational creature and my beliefs are based, yes I'll say it again, empirical evidence. I can research and learn about God and the Bible and Jesus all I want but that won't provide any empirical evidence that points to the truth.
There really is nothing more to say until you have done some work on your end as your argument is with God not me.
I completely disagree. The argument is with you and everyone else who chooses to base their decisions and beliefs on a man written book that has no evidence to support it

I will ask again since you've conveniently ignored my question. Is the Catholic religion wrong for accepting that evolution takes place?

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by klott

Kevin, I am sure the Big Bang Theory came out of a book also, therefore it does not exist.

The many books that discuss the Big Bang are supported by the evidence that has been observed. This is not the case for the Bible.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

I will ask again since you've conveniently ignored my question. Is the Catholic religion wrong for accepting that evolution takes place?

Sorry, I am not qualified to judge Catholic pronouncements.

BTW-One's salvation does not rely on adherence to a belief in evolution so it becomes a moot point. It is a secondary issue at best and a distraction at worst.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Sorry, I am not qualified to judge Catholic pronouncements.

I'll rephrase. Even though you are not qualified to judge Catholic pronouncements, what is your unqualified opinion on the Catholic religion accepting that evolution takes place.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

I'll rephrase. Even though you are not qualified to judge Catholic pronouncements, what is your unqualified opinion on the Catholic religion accepting that evolution takes place.

Not having read their position I am unable to answer.

IMHO if that includes that we descended from a slime puddle I disagree.

If they simply state that some form of survival of the fittest is akin to evolution I have no problem with that.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

BTW-One's salvation does not rely on adherence to a belief in evolution so it becomes a moot point. It is a secondary issue at best and a distraction at worst.

Far from moot. One's salvation, according to Christianity, very much depends on your adherence to the writings of the Bible. Evolution directly contradicts the Bible.