... They Used the "L" Word!

[nwagner]

I like how "Plumber Joe", who practices plumbing without a license and owes over $1200 in back taxes is the poster boy of the McCain campaign. Very fitting.

Its even funnier that these Palin-Aid drinkers complain how "Joe" was unfairly attacked by the MSM. Give me a break! I bet the NeoConArtists would have "revealed" this and more if he instead confronted John McCain about how his health insurance plan would cost him his coverage because he has a pre-existing condition.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by nwagner

I like how "Plumber Joe", who practices plumbing without a license and owes over $1200 in back taxes is the poster boy of the McCain campaign. Very fitting.

Its even funnier that these Palin-Aid drinkers complain how "Joe" was unfairly attacked by the MSM. Give me a break! I bet the NeoConArtists would have "revealed" this and more if he instead confronted John McCain about how his health insurance plan would cost him his coverage because he has a pre-existing condition.

Get real. The story wasn't Joe the Plumber.

The story is Obama's admission to a Socialist agenda.

Please stop spreading your hatred of Necons around Nick

P.S. Ask Barney Frank about his unpaid taxes.

[Randy D. Stufflebeem]

Originally Posted by nwagner

I like how "Plumber Joe", who practices plumbing without a license and owes over $1200 in back taxes is the poster boy of the McCain campaign. Very fitting.

Its even funnier that these Palin-Aid drinkers complain how "Joe" was unfairly attacked by the MSM. Give me a break! I bet the NeoConArtists would have "revealed" this and more if he instead confronted John McCain about how his health insurance plan would cost him his coverage because he has a pre-existing condition.

Nick do you honestly think Joe the Plumber is the issue? Surely you know exactly what it is. It is the fact that redistributing wealth came directly out of Obamas mouth on national TV. Thats the point everyones been trying to make long before Joe the Plumber even came into the subject. Now it is confirmed straight from the horses mouth. As a small businessman this should worry you! If it does not then theres nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise!

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mnahrgang

...God does allow bad things to happen to good people...

This type of excuse is what has turned me off to religion all my life.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

This type of excuse is what has turned me off to religion all my life.

Kevin,

It not an excuse but a logical argument.

The argument goes like this:

God exists and is all powerful

Bad things happen

So God has permitted it

Simple eh?

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Kevin,

It not an excuse but a logical argument.

The argument goes like this:

God exists and is all powerful

Bad things happen

So God has permitted it

Simple eh?

Are you really going to try to defend religion with logic?

[kpierce]

This could be the beginning of a VERY LONG thread so I'll just say you should stick with using words like faith rather than logic.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

This could be the beginning of a VERY LONG thread so I'll just say you should stick with using words like faith rather than logic.

The faith part is believing what the bible says about God and His creation.
By His grace.

I didn't check logic at the door when I became a Christian and you shouldn't either.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

The faith part is believing what the bible says about God and His creation.

And that's where your "logical argument" starts. When a logical argument starts with an assumption it falls apart before it gets started.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

And that's where your "logical argument" starts. When a logical argument starts with an assumption it falls apart before it gets started.

Don't most if not all logical arguments begin with an assumption(a premise) to prove or disprove?

[relliott]

Originally Posted by mlarson

The faith part is believing what the bible says about God and His creation.
By His grace.

I didn't check logic at the door when I became a Christian and you shouldn't either.

I doubt the big guy cares for a party, that marches 1,000s of miles to kill while caring nothing for those in need.

Bullies throughout history hide behind the cross, but burn in the end.

Hatred has blinded the Republican mindset.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Don't most if not all logical arguments begin with an assumption(a premise) to prove or disprove?

You can't prove or disprove an argument based on faith. If more religious people realized this the world would be a very, very different place.

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I didn't check logic at the door when I became a Christian....

That's exactly why we should and do have a separation of church and state and exactly why we need to prevent more of the same with McCain.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by relliott

I doubt the big guy cares for a party, that marches 1,000s of miles to kill while caring nothing for those in need.

Bullies throughout history hide behind the cross, but burn in the end.

Hatred has blinded the Republican mindset.

I guess you don't believe that Bush enacted any of his "compassionate conservatism" policies.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by kpierce

You can't prove or disprove an argument based on faith. If more religious people realized this the world would be a very, very different place.

I'm holding my tongue for later.

Kevin,

I can prove to you that you have faith. Interested?