Tidbits from the ASHI Message Board

[James H. Bushart]

I'll try to find something interesting to post from the ASHI board later on today. Right now, it's pretty quiet over there.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Thank you John. I agree 100% (plus). Finally a voice of reason and common "ethical" sense. Now, if this same logic and rationale could only carry over to other parts of the forums such as the Canadian contingent.

Claude you make this sound so nice .
Well I have letter from you that you asked it to be kept confidential and I respect what you said and I do ,.

I wish you had treated me the same way . see below.
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To: Claude Lawrenson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Proof to be kept confidential


This is for your eyes only Claude Copnfidential.
Roy Cooke
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Yes some how I got the letter The letter P in the Word Confidential.

Roy Cooke

[bkelly1]

Originally Posted by jbowman

To begin, I abhor and disapprove of this thread. I find it unbecoming, unprofessional, unethical, and inexcusable. It is disrespectful to the many members of this organization who hold dual status and to the profession.

Its a self inflicted "slap in the face" when members stoop to the point of stretching or violating ethical codes to disparage or discredit other professionals. I believed NACHI members to be above this dispicable unethical behavior and implore all to take a step back, look at themselves and decide if you want to be involved or associated with such vehement disregard for ethical standards.

I for one choose not too, and extend my personal apologies to anyone who has had their personal privacy violated by this over the line indiscretional behavior.

I understand and appreciate concerns when it comes to past attacks and indiscretions by non-NACHI members. I agree with you that it was not within the best interest of NACHI or the profession. But we have prevailed and succumbed the controversy and nay-sayers. (Our membership numbers speak for themselves in this respect).

I also believe that two wrongs don't make a right.

Of serious consequence is the apparant disregard and total lack of respect for our own national and personal ethical standards. Standards that are used in the arduous task of upholding the honor of this association and our members. A task courageously upheld by a hard working ESOP committee.

Blatant disregard of those standards reeks of malcontent and total disrespect to this association, our ESOP, membership, and profession. The hacking or unethical entry into another website/bulletin board for no other purpose then to perpetuate or dig up "dirt" or unfavorable comment is beyond unethical. It's treachery to the profession and something I will never condone, endorse, or support.

I sincerely hope that others will see this for what it is and move into the next step of professional courtesy amongst and within the home inspection profession.

Very nicely said, maybe some people should read it more than once. Finally a voice of reason and professionalism. Maybe we should have a poll

[Keith Swift, PhD.]

Well said, John. Reminds me of an ancient aphorism: "Thread has to go where the needle went."

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

ASHI is correct on prohibiting preferred vendor lists which has nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with bribing. I tip my hat to ASHI on this issue. They are 100% correct.

While ASHI came in a close second to us in implementing this change to their COE, it is (I agree with you) great that they did.

In St. Louis, Columbia and Kansas City, however, they are still so closely interdependent that if you were to cut a real estate salesman an ASHI chapter president will bleed. Each one has his hand in the pocket of the other.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Thanks Roy and so do I - so is it really worth the unethical pissing match? So I suggest its time to move on.

I suggest that many heed the words from John Bowman. When is enough, enough? Who will be the first one to take a stand to do the right thing?

To me, John sets a the perfect role as a leader and hopefully others see the wisdom in acting professionally. I am far from perfect, and we all have some faults, but it is past high time to start acting professionally.

Some may ask why? It starts with abiding by the code of ethics, that every home inspection states in acting professionally and abiding by those standards. Again, I am not here on a soap box to "preach". But I think one of the biggest attributes of this forum, looses its significance when just about any person can read the "trash" that has very little value in presenting the best image.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Posting information that hurts people and associations serves no purpose other than to exhibit a lack of ethics. Putting even ethics aside - is it morally the right thing to do? Besides its like a rumour - can you really believe everything that you hear? How much really is true, and how much may be wishful thining or deathwish?

I say it needs to stop - the sooner the better - so I commend John for his comments and sincerity to start the ball rolling (almost) right from the top. He has set the example, lets see what we can do with it.

[Nick Gromicko]

I think there are 2 reasonable exceptions:

1. If it has something to do with the health of our industry, like Scumbag NAHI's preferred vendor schemes, I think you can take the gloves off.

or

2. If you are being funny, like John McKenna's post #85 which has me ROTFLMAO!

[James H. Bushart]

I have not seen the ASHI board this dead since I have been hanging out there. I mean, it is dead....it makes TIJ look like the Wall Street trading floor.

If anything of NACHI interest pops up, I'll bring it over. Until then, on this thread, we will have to settle for the pontifications of our ED as he condemns these actions (with the aid of his new thesaurus).

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Thanks Roy and so do I - so is it really worth the unethical pissing match? So I suggest its time to move on.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Posting information that hurts people and associations serves no purpose other than to exhibit a lack of ethics. Putting even ethics aside - is it morally the right thing to do? Besides its like a rumour - can you really believe everything that you hear? How much really is true, and how much may be wishful thining or deathwish?
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NACHI as far as I am concerned does more for all Home Inspectors and I will stand up for our rights and the rights of the Canadian Home Inspector .
Unfortunately you seem to have tunnel vision and do not stand up for NACHI against those who do try and destroy us .
You have only shown you do not like us who defend NACHI and choose to ignore those who complain about NACHI .
For you to try and tell me to stop and ignore others shows your favoritism and bigoted ways. .


Roy Cooke ,RHI,National Certification , CMI, CHI, CAHPI-ON

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Unfortunately you seem to have tunnel vision and do not stand up for NACHI against those who do try and destroy us .

There's a lot of that going around, Roy.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

we will have to settle for the pontifications of our ED as he condemns these actions (with the aid of his new thesaurus).

It is funny how quickly his followers have forgot that he thinks all BB posters are scumbags.

[mreusch]

Originally Posted by dmcauley

From what I have gathered from conversations with NACHI and other HIs, ASHI does have it problems. My issue is not with ASHI, NAHI, or other Home Inspection organizations in as much to with our guys continually bashing ASHI and the rest on bulletin boards the public can view. I do not personally believe that bashing and berating our "competition" to others is the way to make us look better is not professional not does it give a perception of us as professionals.

When I get shopped for prices, I state what NACHI demands of me as a home inspector and do not compare this to ASHI, NAHI etc. The more we mention ASHI and the others, the more we keep their name in front of the public, which allows our clients to wonder "who are those guys" and why did this inspector mention them. In my opinion, lets keep these guys out of every bodies mind and thoughts and do our best as an organization to keep ourselves professional and the best inspectors around. ASHI may just go away if people do not know who they are. Wishful and naive thinking on my part, but out of sight, out of mind.

In contrast to that statement, we must do our part as an organization to ensure that the NACHI position on home inspectors becomes and/or remains to be the one people count on for the professional, ethical, elite inspectors we are. This can be done by being a professional, ensuring that NACHI goals and objectives are met and achieved, along with countering ASHI and all the the others ideas in any state assemblies when it comes to laws and ordinance.

Well said. I believe it is time we rise above the fray and just become as professional as possible. I know that I personally do not like when I am hiring someone to do a project for me listening to them bad mouth or bash their competition. I take their quote and put it at the bootom of my list. I only deal with professionals and feel this is the most unprofessional thing anyone can do. I have now problem with them talking about the competition if they say something like well they do good work but let me tell you why you should choose me. If they present a good case with verification then they remain a viable option. Well Just my opinion. WOuld like to hear others.


Mark

[James H. Bushart]

Still nothing worth copying. I think the ASHI membership has abandoned their message board. It seems to have increased the traffic over at Hannigan's Hangout, though. Brian is probably thinking that the increase in posts has to do with his new MB.

One man's ceiling is another man's floor....

[Nick Gromicko]

If your competition was trying to burn your neighborhood down with fire bombs, I think you'd want to bash them... and not just on a message board.

[James H. Bushart]

Good point, Nick.

Someone sent me an email telling me that this ASHI member (a fellow Illinois home inspector) was using the NACHI logo while not being a member.

I wrote him the following:

I am looking for a NACHI home inspector. My contractor pal tells me they are the best trained. I see that you have a NACHI logo on your site. Does that mean you are members of and certified by NACHI?

This is his response.

From : Hsedoc@aol.com
Sent : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:38 AM
To : jimbushart@hotmail.com, Hsedoc@aol.com, carol@greatinspectors.org
Subject : Re: I need an inspection|||Inbox

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT WE ARE PROUD TO SAY WE ARE AND HAVE BEEN CERTIFIED BY ASHI THE HIGHEST AND TOUGHEST CERIFICATION TO RECIEVIN THE INDUSTRY. I AM AFRAID YOUR FRIEND THE BUILDER DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SHOULD ATTEND ONE OF MY STATE CERTIFIED CLASSES PROVIDED BY ONLY ASHI INSTRUCTORS. ASHI IS 32 YEARS OLD AND NACHI IS THREE.

MAKE A SMART DECISION

CALL 630-904-7000 AND SCHEDULE AND ASHI AFFILATED INSPECTION COMANY OR TAKE YOUR CHANCES WITH YOUR LIFES BIGGEST INVESTMENT W/ NACHI.

THANK YOU

CHUCK WALTON, JR.
OWNER

I asked him why, if he felt that way about NACHI, he would use the NACHI logo. This is what he said.

From : Hsedoc@aol.com
Sent : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:01 AM
To : jimbushart@hotmail.com, Hsedoc@aol.com, carol@greatinspectors.org
Subject : Re: I need an inspection|||Inbox

BECAUSE I TOOK THE ONLINE TEST OF ONLY 100 QUESTIONS AT TEN PM AFTER DRINKING 3 COCKTAILS FOR AMUSEMENT AND PASSED IT WITH FLYING COLORS AND I DONT DOUBT IF YOU CANT.

THE ASHI TEST IS EXAM PROCTORED W OVER 300 TECHINAL QUESTIONS YOU MUST DO 250 INSPECTIONS PRIOR TO MEMBER SHIP AND YOU MUST BE A CANIDATE FOR 6-MONTHS PRIOR TO MEMBERSHIP. I SUGGEST YOU DO YOU HOME WORK VISIT ASHI.COM AND THEN VISIT

NEW INSPECTION ASSOCIATION NACHI. WHATERVER.

GOOD LUCK IN YOUR DECISION MAKING IT WILL AFFECT YOUR LIFE FOR ONLY 30 YEARS.

SINCERLY

CHUCK WALTON, JR.

ASHI MEMBER # 093275
STATE LIC: 045.0000157

So, I sent him the following:

Chuck,
I hear you, but what about this? www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm

These NACHI guys have some super qualifications. That's why I called you, thinking you might be one of them, since you have their logo on your website.

Jim

He responded, thus:

From : Hsedoc@aol.com
Sent : Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:51 AM
To : jimbushart@hotmail.com, Hsedoc@aol.com, tdhinton@sbcglobal.net, carol@greatinspectors.org
Subject : Re: I need an inspection|||Inbox

I AM BUT SINCE YOU CANT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE YOU SHOULD GO W/ 3YRS EXP VS. 20 GOOD LUCK GOOD BYE. AS I AM VERY BUSY TEACHING AND WORKING AND I DO NOT NEED THIS KIND OF DIALOGUE YOU WILL CALL US BACK AFTER YOU MOVE IN AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE MISSED.

THKS

CHUCK WALTON, JR.

CERTIFIED PROUD ASHI
MEMBER.

So...here is a long term ASHI member posing as a NACHI member to get leads, then bashing NACHI to prospective clients who inquire.

It is people like him that make me feel guilty for creating threads like this. Feel free to use his address to send him your love.

There is still nothing going on at the ASHI message board. Do you think they are feeling a little intimidated? As soon as something worth copying appears, I will bring it to you on this thread.