Where are we headed?

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Interesting Article for some.

http://www.concreteconstructiononlin...88240&artnum=1

Marcel

[William J. Decker]

Interesting that this article refers to 'Immigrant' labor (read: Illegal Immigrants).


So, illegals are the back bone of our building industry?

That is just plain sad.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by wdecker

Interesting that this article refers to 'Immigrant' labor (read: Illegal Immigrants).


So, illegals are the back bone of our building industry?

That is just plain sad.

Not all immigrants are illegal.

[lkrausz]

I know my grandparents were legal, The American way they call it. This country was built by WHO?

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Not all immigrants are illegal.

Of course. But try to get the mainstream media to acknowledge that fact.


Still no clue, eh?

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by lkrausz

I know my grandparents were legal, The American way they call it. This country was built by WHO?

It was built by people who came here, through hardship and danger, only to face more hardship and danger.

I cannot accept people who, clearly, violate laws (crossing the border without proper authorization, paperwork or planning) and want to claim a 'right' to stay here and get free medical care, mortgages, small business administration loans and friggin' re-elect Luiz Gutiaraz to another term in Congress.

What ever happened to, 'Do good, follow the rules and do good."?

[lkrausz]

If you lived in california i would understand how you almost hate these people. But you are in illinois. I think most of them are just trying to make it in life and the politicans have used them for their own interest (watch my left hand while I do what i want with my right hand and no one will notice) etc...

[James H. Bushart]

There are people who enter our country illegally with the intent to fly airplanes into high rise buildings. There are also people who come here from poorer countries looking for opportunity and who are willing to do work...normally, jobs that would otherwise go unfilled.

You need to rethink your position, Will, assuming you have put any thought into it, at all.

The article makes no reference to "illegal" immigrants...just immigrants. There is a difference.

Hope that helps.

[jmichalski]

While teh article makes no specific mention of illegal immigrants, it is a commonly known fact here that several subs use "undocumented" workers for drywall, landscaping and other sub work.

The author may have intentionally avoided the illegal issue, to focus on the rest of the article without it turning into exactly the conversation we are having here.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmichalski

While teh article makes no specific mention of illegal immigrants, it is a commonly known fact here that several subs use "undocumented" workers for drywall, landscaping and other sub work.

The author may have intentionally avoided the illegal issue, to focus on the rest of the article without it turning into exactly the conversation we are having here.

And then, maybe he didn't mean "illegal" immigrants at all and that is why there is no "specific mention" of them.

[jmichalski]

That possibility is why I used the word "may". The presence of illegal workers in the construction industry is not much of a secret (at least not here). I would think that an article focusing on this specific part of the industry and the role of immigrant labor would either be irresponsible/incomplete for not mentioning it, or intentionally left it out.

Either way, I am not ascribing intentions (although I offered one possiblity for the lack of mention of illegals), just noting the lack of mention of a pretty well known (and related) issue.

[William J. Decker]

If you listen to any news shows, or most Democratic politician, you will notice that during discussions of the illegal immigrant issue, they hardly ever use the illegal adjetive. This is done on purpose, to attempt to change the issue. In fact, many on the left believe that the use of the worek 'illegal' is, in itself, 'racist'. This is clear.

As to these people coming in and working and doing work that no one else would do, I disagree. Someone else would do the work, just not at the very low wages that illegals are paid.

What is needed:

1) Enforce border control.
2) Enforce laws already on the books that would prohibit hiring illegals.
3) Deny free medical care, schooling, etc to non-documented immigants.

No new laws are needed, only enforcment of those already on the books.

I find it very interesting that when I do draw inspections, whenever I start taling pictures, almost all of the hispanic people at the site run to get out of the picture.

I find this very interesting.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by wdecker

I......
I find it very interesting that when I do draw inspections, whenever I start taling pictures, almost all of the hispanic people at the site run to get out of the picture. ...

Oh, you've noticed that too!

Maybe they were just trying to be helpful Will.

[bsumpter]

Originally Posted by jbushart

... jobs that would otherwise go unfilled.

There is no empirical evidence of that. But it does make a good sound bite.

[jrivera]

Originally Posted by wdecker

So, illegals are the back bone of our building industry?

That is just plain sad.

They very well could be.

I mean, I've had some guys do work at my house that I would never think of doing myself. They did it and I got the same quality work done as if I had hired a regular contractor who would have been using the laborers anyway.

AND I got it for way cheaper, now I'm not talking about the need for an Architec. It's just alot of hands on heavy labor work that was done and I could even get locals to do it (too many breaks, cell phones, dragging feet)

These guys are good and have other jobs lined up.

I'm not speaking for all of them, but most do the work others don't want to !!!

Mic