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[cjustason]

I'm a service tech with 27 yrs experience. Another guy is a service tech with 5 yrs experience. The difference is the paycheck.

[Brian K. Smith]

Originally Posted by bboerner

The problem is there is no difference between a inspector with years of HI experience and those that simply decided to leave the local post office study for a national exam, pass it and become nationally certified just like the guy with years of experience over night. Once you pass the test, sign the affidavid, and pay your money your considered a national certified home inspector no different than anyone else. You don't see a problem with this picture? Anyone can study to pass the National Exam or Nicks. The online training we are required to do after you join should be required before you join at a minimum.

maybe iam out in left field......maybe billy needs to just go be an ashi inspector and forget about NACHI? Sorry Billy! just my 2 cents.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

The problem is there is no difference between a inspector with years of HI experience and those that simply decided to leave the local post office study for a national exam, pass it and become nationally certified just like the guy with years of experience over night. Once you pass the test, sign the affidavid, and pay your money your considered a national certified home inspector no different than anyone else. You don't see a problem with this picture? Anyone can study to pass the National Exam or Nicks. The online training we are required to do after you join should be required before you join at a minimum.

The best way to change the world, Billy, is to start with yourself.

When you feel that you have "outgrown" your need for membership here and are ready to "progress" to some other step....do so. Until then, enjoy your membership and its benefits with the rest of us.

[lvass]

Bill, I realize that you have your thoughts and I respect that, but not everyone agrees with you. The one year rule would force people like me who has passed the very difficult test and don't want to belong to some lame HI club to go join some HI club who wants to cut corners. I don't consider NACHI as a club. It may be hard to believe, but "newbies" like myself just might have spend the money needed to get certified through PHII. They are as difficult as NACHI in passing all tests and exams. So, assuming all "Newbies" are complete idiots is false. No One knows everything, not even you. I'm offended that you feel that you have the right to put me on hold until I pass Your Requirements and I'm not even you compition. An apology from you would be a nice thing to do for all of us who are trying to make a living.

[Gerry Pallotta]

Billy
Why are you worried about what some cantankerous old men think. It's not the association that makes an inspector it's the man or women that makes the inspector. Stand tall and proclaim that I am an independently minded and one helluv an inspector first. Then I belong to whatever association.
Eventually everything will fall into place. You just may have to work a bit harder for it.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by lvass

Bill, I realize that you have your thoughts and I respect that, but not everyone agrees with you. The one year rule would force people like me who has passed the very difficult test and don't want to belong to some lame HI club to go join some HI club who wants to cut corners. I don't consider NACHI as a club. It may be hard to believe, but "newbies" like myself just might have spend the money needed to get certified through PHII. They are as difficult as NACHI in passing all tests and exams. So, assuming all "Newbies" are complete idiots is false. No One knows everything, not even you. I'm offended that you feel that you have the right to put me on hold until I pass Your Requirements and I'm not even you compition. An apology from you would be a nice thing to do for all of us who are trying to make a living.

Leah never said I knew everything and never said newbies were idiots. I'm not going to take time to repost what I said either. You need to reread what I said and take a look at the 4K post I have on NACHI. I'm on of Nicks biggest supporters here. I truly feel like this organization is a great one and that's why I'll always be a member. His team and the members are are the best in the country when it comes to the HI business. Bottom line is you as a newbie shouldn't hold a full certification simply by passing the online test. More requirements should be met and we're getting lots of flak because of it. I'm having this discussion with Nick in hopes to atleast turn the month 1,2,3 requirements around where one has to do them before joining not after. The year idea went out the window and I understand why. It was just an idea. So no I'm not apologizing for what I believe in. That's what makes this organization so strong we all have our believes and we all respect each other for them.

[James A. Levy]

Originally Posted by gbell

Once you new guys understand what NACHI is and how it works, then you will understand why things are the way they are. There have been 100's of members before you that have tried to do exactly what Billy is. They have either left or learned to accept how things are.

Just to give you a clue read the list.

1. Membership would really drop if everything was verified.
2. Nachi is Nick. Nothing gets done here unless it has Nicks approval.
3. There is no accountability to the membership for anything that's done at NACHI.
4. The membership has no direct input on anything that happens at nachi.
5. The chapters receive no financial support from NACHI.


Go back to the old message board and review posts that Nick made in 02 and 03. At that time NACHI (Nick) didn't want anything to do with the education of home inspectors.

In reality all you have to do is follow the money. That is the driving force at NACHI.

A great example of what NACHI is is the fact that Ben is the director of education. I can think of at least a dozen people that are better qualified and would do a much better job. But their name isn't Gromicko.

Enough said it is what it is. I learned long ago to accept what I can't change, many others decided to leave. You will have to do what is best for you.

Greg, I have only limited knowledge of either Nick or Ben. I can only say that the few times that I have reached out to them they have been more than gracious and helpful. I skimmed archived education posts from '02 on and I cannot find anything to support your assertion. If you had a particular thread in mind, could you post it so I and others could form our own opinions.
I joined Internachi because I feel that they have done more to advance the HI industry than any other organization. If everything that happens runs through Nick, (as it probably should) then I feel he is doing a good job.

[Bobby Hamilton]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Bottom line is you as a newbie shouldn't hold a full certification simply by passing the online test.

Billy, I believe you DO owe Leah an apology. I don't normally post on fighting matches, but you should not discredit anyone on a public board. I know you have your opinions on how things should be run, and you've been doing that since you joined, but express your displeasurable opinions on our organization in the members only section of the board.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bhamilton

Billy, I believe you DO owe Leah an apology. I don't normally post on fighting matches, but you should not discredit anyone on a public board. I know you have your opinions on how things should be run, and you've been doing that since you joined, but express your displeasurable opinions on our organization in the members only section of the board.

Billy is STILL a newbie....and he uses it.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Leah never said I knew everything and never said newbies were idiots. I'm not going to take time to repost what I said either. You need to reread what I said and take a look at the 4K post I have on NACHI. I'm on of Nicks biggest supporters here. I truly feel like this organization is a great one and that's why I'll always be a member. His team and the members are are the best in the country when it comes to the HI business. Bottom line is you as a newbie shouldn't hold a full certification simply by passing the online test. More requirements should be met and we're getting lots of flak because of it. I'm having this discussion with Nick in hopes to atleast turn the month 1,2,3 requirements around where one has to do them before joining not after. The year idea went out the window and I understand why. It was just an idea. So no I'm not apologizing for what I believe in. That's what makes this organization so strong we all have our believes and we all respect each other for them.

Your suggestions for change would have been more credible if you had made them the day you began your membership. Climbing the ladder and then attempting to pull it out of the reach of others reflects poorly upon your character, Bill.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Your suggestions for change would have been more credible if you had made them the day you began your membership. Climbing the ladder and then attempting to pull it out of the reach of others reflects poorly upon your character, Bill.

Jim you have your opinion and that's fine. This topic is silly now. None of you appear to care so I'm moving on. As for insulting whoever sorry if you felt that way, wasn't my intention. Just trying to show Nick how many look upon us guess it's old hat like Greg says so I'm moving on.

[Nick Gromicko]

Greg writes:

Nothing gets done here unless it has Nicks approval.

Uh, of course I have to approve everything in operations. I'm on the B.O.D in charge of operations. Someone has to. Just like Chris Morrell, who is also on the B.O.D. has to approve every IT decision. If I step down and Lisa Endza took my place, she'd have to approve everything in operations. But that is true for every corporation and not something unique to InterNACHI.

The membership has no direct input on anything that happens at InterNACHI.

As head of InterNACHI I've spoken with thousands of members personally at countless events, talked thousands of times on the phone with members, interacted tens of thousands of times with members on this message board, and exchanged hundreds of thousands of emails with members. InterNACHI staffers attend many events personally. We do live TV shows, classroom courses, and webinars. We have a live help chat box connected directly to me. We answer every email every day, we handle 30 pounds of incoming mail a day, our phones are answered constantly, and the message board never goes down. I'd go as far as saying that there isn't a trade association on the planet earth where members have more "direct input." Is there something more we should be doing?

The chapters receive no financial support from InterNACHI.

InterNACHI has paid for hundreds of top-notch trainers to speak and teach at local chapter meetings over the years. InterNACHI paid for truck loads full of post cards, letters and postage announcing local chapter events. InterNACHI has paid for local chapter logo designs. InterNACHI produces and ships all the trade show banners, literature, tablecloths and signs to local chapters. InterNACHI has paid to make every chapter banner. InterNACHI has bought and shipped boat loads of door prizes for local chapter meetings. InterNACHI published and shipped thousands of inspection books to chapter events. InterNACHI pays for every chapter's unique website including hosting forever www.nachi.org/chaptersites. I've traveled personally to dang near every InterNACHI Chapter in N. America, some I've visited more than once. Lisa Endza even did the Puerto Rico chapter this past summer while pregnant! I've personally paid for train loads of food and booze at chapter events. I'm really not sure what more you want. Can you explain?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Jim you have your opinion and that's fine. This topic is silly now. None of you appear to care so I'm moving on. As for insulting whoever sorry if you felt that way, wasn't my intention. Just trying to show Nick how many look upon us guess it's old hat like Greg says so I'm moving on.

Cool.

[Scott Gilligan, CMI]

I normally don't get involved in this kind of discussion, but I just wanted to point out to Billy that the ASHI requirements are not as great as what he thinks they are. Anyone new in the industry can easily become an ASHI certified inspector in no time at all with only a little bit of work. All you have to do is take the NHIE at a testing location. Older questions are available for sale on the internet and through other home inspectors if you know where to look. You can purchase them and study what types of questions are on their test and pass pretty easy. While the questions may change every year and there are up to 4 different versions of the test, the questions are likely very much the same level of knowledge base.

Pay your money to join online...No biggy there. Anyone with a credit card, debit card, or checking account can do this part.

Now...go out and perform home inspections for unknowing clients that their inspector is new to the industry. Anyone can lie about the list of 250 inspections they submit to ASHI and provide false addresses. When they ask for the copies of the inspections, it is easy for anyone to change the addresses to match whatever ones they ask for to be submitted for review.

As you can see...their system is not all that foolproof and is alot easier to manipulate than they lead on to make everyone believe.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by sgilligan1

I normally don't get involved in this kind of discussion, but I just wanted to point out to Billy that the ASHI requirements are not as great as what he thinks they are. Anyone new in the industry can easily become an ASHI certified inspector in no time at all with only a little bit of work. All you have to do is take the NHIE at a testing location. Older questions are available for sale on the internet and through other home inspectors if you know where to look. You can purchase them and study what types of questions are on their test and pass pretty easy. While the questions may change every year and there are up to 4 different versions of the test, the questions are likely very much the same level of knowledge base.

Pay your money to join online...No biggy there. Anyone with a credit card, debit card, or checking account can do this part.

Now...go out and perform home inspections for unknowing clients that their inspector is new to the industry. Anyone can lie about the list of 250 inspections they submit to ASHI and provide false addresses. When they ask for the copies of the inspections, it is easy for anyone to change the addresses to match whatever ones they ask for to be submitted for review.

As you can see...their system is not all that foolproof and is alot easier to manipulate than they lead on to make everyone believe.

Agreed Scott. Now explain how NACHI is any different? That's where I'm confused. I don't understand where Nick gets that ASHI is a diploma mill. We are not much different if any.