Why Such a High turnover of HIs

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I was a top producing agent for a decade and full-time agents complain about part-time agents just like full-time inspectors complain about part-time inspectors. There may be a marketing opportunity here, but we'd have to do something drastic. I could make us an "InterNACHI FULL TIME Inspector" logo similar to our others www.nachi.org/logos.htm but with a twist. To use the free logo, members would have to get a letter from their accountant stating that 80% of their earned income comes from performing inspections. I can author language for your accountant. Then you could have the logo link to a copy of your accountant's letter. It's a bit out-of-the-box, but that is what is going to be needed to alert agents and buyers that it is in their best interest to hire a full-time professional who makes performing inspections his/her career and passion. We could come up with a couple articles explaining why consumers should pay a little more for an InterNACHI FULL TIME Inspector and avoid part-timers. You could use the articles with your logo linking to your accountant's letter. Let me know what you think of the idea.

NICK.
Nick I am like Billy in my thinking and that decision would be a mistake.
I am waiting to go out of the box as a better HI.
I also know that business is business.
80 percent fail because they were incapable of running that business in the first place.( call them the part timers if you want.) They were not prepared and its not only HI business its every business,80 percent will fail within there first 5 years.
That is fact from the government web sight I looked at before I started my business 11 years ago.
They told me it would not be easy and now I know first hand what that government employee meant.
By you being so selective is beyond what I thought you where capable of.
I thought you were inclusive to all.
That is why I came to InterNACHI.
Some will be part timers ''if you want to call them that'' for a full gambit of reasons.
Not because they want to just get by.
Its saying full time HI'S are better is plan wrong, and from what I have read on the post over the last 8 months tells me that.
Greed is a factor for not archiving, laziness , soft report writers they may work full time but can have part time labeled to them by your very definition.
It is not a marketing ploy to be selective its dishonest , bigoted view.

Not bigot being raciest by color or religion, but by the fact that some one is exempt from the club,because they do it part time( for what ever reason).
Many here are PART TIME and if you ran a poll you would see.
At one time or another they were part time and are going to be part timers in the future because of age, to what ever.
I am asking you to please redirect your thought and put and end to this.
Marketing is to be honest and truthful for gain and should not be corrupted by grasping at straws.
I will say a prayer you make the right choice.
thank you
Robert Young
Just a view.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Mr.Cyr
I thought you would come to weigh in your thoughts about this.
I had a member smay, point it out 30 minutes ago and was up to speed and almost speachless to what was going on.
If you were in Montreal Marcel I would give you one of my trucks and use my business and friends (contacts waiting for me) to get going,so you would not be so hardened by the dilemma many HI'S are in ,in America.
I to agree that by making it harder for the ones already just getting by would be cruel and I can go on and on.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Thank you Robert, and all is in the hope that things will get better here once and for all.
This Government is screwed up and our grandchildren will never see the end of this indebtedness, unfortunately.
The system has forced many to reach at any conceivable methods necessary to make a living right now, and believe me, not all will be honest about their undertakings, and who they burn in their pathway to achieve it.

Let us hope that the economy returns so we can all enjoy the work we charish.

I believe Nick is trying to do all he can considering, to help us all as a whole.

We can always lay back and observe the consequences. Then we can make judgement as to whether or not it was the right thing to do.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by gfarnsworth

Billy, you have it all wrong.

In 2000, I had a nice, cushy corporate job. I got laid off. I decided to start a home inspection business, since I was going to do that anyway after I retired. My goal was to make the same income at doing home inspectors after one year that I was making at my corporate job. I reached that goal in one month. I made six figures the first year, and was not a member of any organization until 2008.

Working part-time is just that. I get a lot of calls asking if I am part-time or full-time. Would you have a surgeon operate on you that does surgeries part-time or full-time? Do you want a doctor that is available part-time or full-time? Would you want to by a car from a part-time salesman, or a full-time one?

Working full-time says to anyone that you are available any time to answer questions and serve your client at any time. It says a lot about you.

I am for Nick's designation. However, I am like Dan. I have had only one inspection so far this month. It is really bad here in KC, and I will drive anywhere for an inspection between Topeka, KS and Columbia, MO. The economy is hurting us all, and any help from Nick is appreciated.

If you are part-time, you are not committing all of your energies to your profession.

Part-time inspectors do business because an RE will hire a part-time inspector thinking that he will do a soft report, and knows little about home inspections, as the RE does not want to alert the home buyer, and ruin his/her commissions. RE's want part-timers. Home buyers want full-timers.

Which do you want to promote?

How long did you study to be a HI.
I ask because you did very well that first year.
Could not have been your connections that gave you advantage?
So again we start being holier than thowe.
Its amazing to be so selective with peoples lives.
Yes its nice to have connections an easy way to get referrals that land you big dollars, but if you were so good how come on one is calling now.
You must be part time if you only did 1 this month.
I can look in disbelief at the crap being spewed here.
Now there 2 InterNACHI distinctions.
I have a good marketing campaigne.
Part time licesance $400.00 dollars
and full time HI license $600.00 dollars.
As Brien would say SPIN SPIN SPIN.
A things that bad you want to take from the part timers?
Bloody Mexicans taking American jobs mentality.
I am saying this in disbelief HONESTLY.
If its not broken do not fix it.

[Christopher Currins]

Originally Posted by belliott

He was saying that when I joined in 06.
I started part time and did not take offence to it but followed his advice and went full time.
Part timers help ruin the industry by charging part time prices the same way a DIY handyman ruins professional electric,plumbing,etc.
Part timers already have an income and try to squeeze out those that depend on it for a living.
How many join just because their roofing business ,etc is a little slow?
Being a "good" Inspector is a full time commitment.

Full timers have every right to do everything in their power to get rid of fly by night operations.

There are many *full timers* that are lowballers, agents favorite. One advantage with IL. being licensed is that few will pay, lic. fee, insurance, and for CEU's to only have a side job.

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by bboerner

So Bob. Do I run a fly by night operation? Just this morning I booked a $339 inspection on a 1900 sq ft home and a condo 1189 sq ft for $249. Since I'm part time you would consider me fly by?

What is your major source of income?
I thought you were full time when not on duty.

[Bob Elliott]

What is the issue here ?
Guys can push they do all sorts of Aux services and nobody complains.
Are their that many P?T inspectors here that they need to gripe?

How about the CMI logo? Is that fair? boo hoo!
I actually could care less if there is a logo since I can just create my own.

[ldapkus]

If you do less than 300 home inspections a year aren't you part time anyway?? Do part time members get a discount membership fee, say $99 annually?? That would go over well, wouldn't it?? Hey Billy, we'll take you over at ASHI as a part-timer.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

And no one would know the difference Bob.

[Tim Spargo]

Originally Posted by jjonas

I'm curious what Joe Farsetta's take is on Nick's and JB's statements. Seems to me an arguement could be made that this 'plan' is borderline a violation of the COE...



Or, is Nick exempt from these rules?

(For the record, I have been a FT Inspector for 4 years. I have also been keeping my own books for the last 10 years). Guess that means I don't qualify for this program! (Not that I would want to clutter my website and marketing with this logo anyway).

Good point Jeff. I spend a lot of my time with inspections (80% or more)... I have other interests, but am not *personally* there performing services.

My point, like yours was that the proposed idea is damaging to other inspectors (our 2009 member of the year as well, as Marcel stated), and serves little more purpose than to create a *logo*.

Geesh.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by mcyr

Thank you Robert, and all is in the hope that things will get better here once and for all.
This Government is screwed up and our grandchildren will never see the end of this indebtedness, unfortunately.
The system has forced many to reach at any conceivable methods necessary to make a living right now, and believe me, not all will be honest about their undertakings, and who they burn in their pathway to achieve it.

Let us hope that the economy returns so we can all enjoy the work we charish.

I believe Nick is trying to do all he can considering, to help us all as a whole.

We can always lay back and observe the consequences. Then we can make judgement as to whether or not it was the right thing to do.

You said a mouth full. I looked for photo,s of me making a crown and came up blank/. Stll looking and will send it to you.
Its 1,500 for 6 hours and 2 men .material 100.00 and that comes of the taxes.

[Tim Spargo]

Originally Posted by ldapkus

If you do less than 300 home inspections a year aren't you part time anyway?? Do part time members get a discount membership fee, say $99 annually?? That would go over well, wouldn't it?? Hey Billy, we'll take you over at ASHI as a part-timer.

My point as well.... I think the average for a *full time* inspector is around 250 (was stated to me by insurance co).

I only did 2 full inspections today.

Since we would be devoting $$ to creating a logo that serves no purpose to a part timer, we can lower their fee as Linas suggests.

[RAY THOROMAN]

I feel part to blame for sparking this thread and debate, sorry did not want it to turn into this.


I was just curious what percent of iNACHI members have been members over 5 years. I think I know the answer, and it's inline with statistics with any business, about 10%. But I wanted to take it to another level and see, which org retains more of it's members long term, ASHI or iNACHI over that same time period of let's say of the past 5/10 years. I think it's ASHI for several reasons. It boils down to what or to whom that org chooses to target for it's members.


I see newbies come and go all the time. They get geeked up, think they can get a bag of tools, camera, report software, join iNACHI, and boom I'm in business. We'll never stop that, and it does not bother me, cause at the end of the day I keep on staying in business and making a nice career out of it. But we as professionals have to be careful. We do not want to water down this profession or give Home Inspectors a bad stigma. The only way for this profession to not only stay afloat, but thrive is to adjust with the market, demand, consumers, technology, and prep for the future. Fine line with getting new prospects into your association and retaining quality members that will be here for the long haul and better the profession. I'm concerned as to what I see going on in States like Florida, the home inspection profession is very watered down, it's the wild west and prices are so low, to me, it would not be worth inspecting in that state. Bust your butt, risk your neck for $150-200 inspections?


Anyways, as being a full time home inspector for several years now and completing well over 2500 of them, I am not in favor of adding another logo to iNACHI. This is why I feel that this would not be a good item to incorporate into our membership.


- iNACHI has a difficult enough time verifying it's members actually complete all the listed requirements to retain membership. I see no system in place right now. It's all honor or self check system right now. How many members actually have completed all membership requirements? Plus it's confusing as many requirements have been added through out the years, are so of us grandfathered in? I've tried to complete all the new requirements, but it seems stuff gets added every few months.

- ASHI have a system where a certain number of CEU'S or members are audited every year. Why does iNACHI not have a similar system? How do you know if your members are turning in legitimate CEU'S? It'd also be nice to have something in our member admin panel telling you how many you've earned per year or year-to-date.

- This means that iNACHI would have to add staff to verify this new logo/credential compliance, or it would take away from an already swamped staff, or it would not be verified like it should be.

- I do my own taxes, but I do file with a firm each year. Getting this tax form signed stating my income is at least 80% from inspections is no big deal but, will iNACHI have to do this each year? Again, that's a lot of time to devote to screening compliance to have this logo/credential. And given iNACHI's track record, I doubt this new credential will be verified for compliance. Keep in mind it would also be easy to fudge this affidavit as well.

- I think this whole credential/logo will get watered down eventually. Currently, as proposed, it is not worth spending our membership dollars or devoting staff to this idea. Maybe if there was a committee formed and the structure was revamped. But is also seems that most committees are strapped for time. It seems we need to relook at iNACHI and trim some of the fat off. Eliminate programs that do not work any longer. Improve the ones that need improvement. It seems the message board would be a good starting place for this. Poll the iNACHI members and see which programs are most important to start improving and cleaning up. Start a new category or thread to keep track. Nick needs some help, iNACHI needs some help. Got a sixth sense, things are changing. We need to get more work for iNACHI members. We need think-tanks to make that happen

[Nick Gromicko]

More and more agents are saying that they investigate an inspector's credentials and are impressed when an InterNACHI provides all their course certificates: http://www.nachi.org/certificatesofcompletion.htm

Does http://www.nachi.org/certificatesofcompletion.htm harm members who haven't taken every course?

[rsmith24]

Why would i want to hire an accountant? I've never had one for my other company and its worked out so far. You need to keep your overhead as low as possible.