2009 - The Year of the Repeal

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, in the same way that 61% can't pass just one of our entrance exams http://exams.nachi.org/oe/stats.php even more can't agree to fulfill the rest of our requirements: www.nachi.org/membership.htm. InterNACHI membership is just too much work for most. Brian, since ASHI has no exams at all to join, you might ask why don't 100% of all inspectors join them.

Can you prove that the 61% that fail were actually trying to become a Home Inspector or were many of the general public just trying the test "for fun" since it is free and readily accessible??

IMHO, that stat is more "WEB FICTION" and really has very little actual validity, contrary to what you claim!!! An unknowing public/newbie HI's (which you depend on) will take this stat as correct and valid but when pointed out to the public how it is derived, they are aghast at this org and its "certification" process!!!
SPIN!!! SPIN!!! SPIN!!!!

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Can you prove that the 61% that fail were actually trying to become a Home Inspector or were many of the general public just trying the test "for fun" since it is free and readily accessible??

IMHO, that stat is more "WEB FICTION" and really has very little actual validity, contrary to what you claim!!! An unknowing public/newbie HI's (which you depend on) will take this stat as correct and valid but when pointed out to the public how it is derived, they are aghast at this org and its "certification" process!!!
SPIN!!! SPIN!!! SPIN!!!!

Keep trying Brian. I firmly believe you will pass the exam if you really put forth some effort. Bashing INACHI because you can't pass the exam has really gotten to you hasn't it?

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

INACHI is bad for my profession (it "dumbs it down"), is bad for my business (it instantly creates "certified" professionals out of my newbie competitors) and is wrong for any association who (claims to) put its profession and members first.

Back in the boom times there was no associations who were not guilty of "dumbing down the profession", all of the associations were engage in a battle for the "newbie inspector" spending every last friggin' dime of surplus revenue attempting to attract new home inspectors to their group... NACHI was simply the best in show.

Now that "newbie" inspectors are no longer clamoring to join our ranks coupled with the states (through licensing) having become the arbiters of the "Standards of Practice", associations will need to once again reinvent themselves. That is of course if they are going to remain a viable ongoing entity and a resource for their members, though I expect a few associations will be tossed on the ash-heap of history because of their inability to change. Let's see where we are in 2010, chances are good you won't recognize the profession.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by ldapkus

Keep trying Brian. I firmly believe you will pass the exam if you really put forth some effort. Bashing INACHI because you can't pass the exam has really gotten to you hasn't it?

Linas,

Our existence alone repulses Brian! It also cuts into his market, why do you think he has so much "FREE" time to post here!

Brian, If you can't beat'em...Join 'em. Time for you to join NACHI and realize the benefits.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

JB:

In the same vein:

INACHI is bad for my profession (it "dumbs it down"), is bad for my business (it instantly creates "certified" professionals out of my newbie competitors) and is wrong for any association who (claims to) put its profession and members first.

In a much earlier post, Will Decker agreed with the sentence in blue!!

Your edit of my statement is as invalid as Nick using my membership to attack ASHI.

Both of you are so far from the real point....lost in your personal agendas over who (ASHI or NACHI) has the biggest pee-pee that you your positions lack relevance to any current issue facing home inspectors.

If you cannot make your point without naming ASHI or NACHI in it, Nick and Brian, you are simply posting another worthless infomercial.

Nick uses this forum to recruit new members and his P.T. Barnum antics can be understood, for his purpose is to sell, sell, sell. This section of his message board is the "side show" where he can invite the public to come see the bearded lady, the headless dog, and other reasons to join his circus.

This has been understood and accepted by all of us for years. It's too late in the game to begin condemning him for it. It is unfortunate he lowers his credibility even further, here, by condemning and attacking ASHI - but that's his choice, too.

Coming here to attack NACHI and its membership, Brian, is a totally other thing.

I have met NACHI members who have been in the home inspection business for over 20 years. This is not possible when you are incompetent, for the market will expel you long before an association will. Your condemnation of NACHI members is without merit and recognized to be, instantly, by those of us who know better.

Are there NACHI members who are unqualified? Sure there are, but even you would agree that the public is better served by having these people in an association with close proximity to some training and education that could help them be better rather than to be -- as the majority of inspectors are -- unassociated with any formal group of inspectors.

You raise the specter of gloom that a poor, unsuspecting public could possibly hire one of these unqualified people because of their being NACHI members. I can tell you that, in the four years that I was a member, no one ever hired me because I belonged to NACHI. That is not consistent with the illusion that Mr. Barnum would like his side show to convey to potential members, but it is true and others will tell you the same.

Nick is out of touch and is spinning from vendor to vendor hoping to find a new niche for his new association that is no longer a "mere home inspector" association. He doesn't know what it is yet...but he's working on it.

Meanwhile, it still consists of people who can effectively inspect houses and your disparagements and insinuations to the contrary fall as short from the truth as Nick's myriad of hyperboles.

[Nick Gromicko]

ASHI/InterNACHI member Joe Burkeson is basically correct once again:

Now that "newbie" inspectors are no longer clamoring to join our ranks coupled with the states (through licensing) having become the arbiters of the "Standards of Practice", associations will need to once again reinvent themselves. That is of course if they are going to remain a viable ongoing entity and a resource for their members, though I expect a few associations will be tossed on the ash-heap of history because of their inability to change.

[John McKenna]

InterNACHI is growing in Texas because we like all the FREE benefits and education
it provides. I talk to ASHI members all the time who are amazed at the benefits that
InterNACHI gives them.

I agree that weak licensing law do create weak inspectors. But in Texas we have strong
educational and experience requirements. It takes 328 hours of education and at least 5 yrs
experience as a contractor, engineer or architect (or an extra 120 ride along's) to become
a home inspector. Plus our standards of practice is the most extensive in the industry. E&O
is mandatory.

So why is InterNACHI growing so strong in Texas?
Benefits, Benefits, Benefits, Benefits.

It is impossible for newbies to INSTANTLY become home inspectors in Texas.
So that argument does not apply. Our educational and experience requirements
DO NOT create dumbed down inspectors. And, some of the issues that James
complains about, do not exist in Texas because those immoral practices are illegal
here.

TREC does not charge me money, or taxes and makes no money off of me. I pay
a few bucks ($59 every two years) to process my license.

I do find it INTERESTING that James comes to the InterNACHI forum to bash
Nick Gromicko, when it is Nick who provides his podium to speak from. In fact,
if James did not have the Nick's forum to speak from, who would hear anything he
had to say?

So from my point of view it seems rather funny regarding James' actions.

-He condemns licensing, but could not come to Texas and become an inspector (it's too hard).
-Joins ASHI, an association that is officially pro licensing.
-Quits InterNACHI, but likes to use our forum to bash our founder, Nick Gromicko.
-Thinks his agenda is noble, but condemns others who have other priorities.

I told James he was going to quit 6 months ago. I could see that he is like a spoiled
child who was angry at Nick for not financing his political agenda. He wanted
InterNACHI dues to pay for his campaign against licensing. He sees himself as
the noble warrior and is self righteous and angry because Nick does not embrace his
narrow opinions.

It's not your money James, get over it.

Go spend your own money. Create your own forum. Start your own association.
Give a little room to those who do not see the world like you do. Stop bashing Nick
Gromicko. Stop generalizing with a broad brush about complex matters. Stop using
this forum to bash InterNACHI and saying it is not a HI association, when it is.

Nick is my friend, so deal with it.

You used this forum for years to kick people and were very rude when someone
quit InterNACHI. You used to shower redicule on people on their way out the door.
But when you quit, everyone was gracious and wished you well. Now you come
right back and keep bashing as a non-member. This used to be one of your main complaints,
that you did not like non-members using our forum to bash us and now you are doing
the same thing.

Get a life.

[James H. Bushart]

John...show me the post that I "bashed" NACHI members.

After you do that...show me a post where I am saying something to or about Nick that I did not express while I was a member.

Until then, please stop demeaning yourself so publicly and unashamedly. Your descriptions of my actions and motives are no more closer to reality than your posts that attack our new president.

We all know of your erotic fondness for everything "TREC", but there are others in your state that do not splatter the pages of their copy of the Texas licensing law with the same amount of DNA as you. They share the view that realtor's control of the Texas home inspector is not a good thing and reject your fantasies. I suppose they are wrong, too.

Nick has provided you with the financial backing to sell training on a product that you recently purchased and, if I were you, I would protect the hand that feeds me in the same manner as you are. But it does not necessarily make you the spokesman for Texas, TREC, or for home inspectors who are NOT on the NACHI payroll.

Anyway, go find those posts that you wrongfully accused me of making on this thread. I'd be interested to read them.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

John...show me the post that I "bashed" NACHI members.

When you say we are NOT a HI association.

After you do that...show me a post where I am saying something to or about Nick that I did not express while I was a member.

When you turned against Nick, with such a passion, is when I stated that
you were leaving, as indeed you now have.

Until then, please stop demeaning yourself so publicly and unashamedly. Your descriptions of my actions and motives are no more closer to reality than your posts that attack our new president.

I am glad for you that you are such an admiring Obama fan, but that is ill relevant.

We all know of your erotic fondness for everything "TREC", but there are others in your state that do not splatter the pages of their copy of the Texas licensing law with the same amount of DNA as you. They share the view that realtor's control of the Texas home inspector is not a good thing and reject your fantasies. I suppose they are wrong, too.

At least they are not trying to get InterNACHI dues from Nick for
their agenda and don't spend their time on this forum bashing Nick.
Big difference.

Your porn references are typical gutter ploys that say more about you
than you realize. Your sexual slander is your favorite style... LOL.
Do you think anyone is offended? No. Try again.

Texas inspectors may complain about the conditions being to
hard, but I have never heard them say that current conditions
make it EASY for newbies to flood the market, like you say.
It is not EASY in Texas and I doubt you could not make it here.
(if you did come here, I would help you).

Nick has provided you with the financial backing to sell training on a product that you recently purchased and, if I were you, I would protect the hand that feeds me in the same manner as you are. But it does not necessarily make you the spokesman for Texas, TREC, or for home inspectors who are NOT on the NACHI payroll.

I spent a lot of my personal time and money organizing meetings
and helping inspectors before I was teaching my class. Nick has
turned around and helped me, since I have been an instructor, as well
as many many other people. For this I give the man my respect.

Nick's kindness to a lot of inspectors may give you a key as to why he
is so successful and you are not.

Anyway, go find those posts that you wrongfully accused me of making on this thread. I'd be interested to read them.

Your bashing of people and mocking condescension is famous on the
this forum. Your humiliating remarks to those who have left InterNACHI
is well known. You told us you were leaving and everyone wished you
well. Are you now going to come back and act like another Raymond Wand
and pretend you don't look just like him?

Don't you have anything else to do? Your not making yourself look good.

[James H. Bushart]

Still waiting for those posts that you described from me. Did you find them, yet?

By the way, John, it was Nick...not me...who said that NACHI is not an association for "mere home inspectors" and "never will be, again". If that "bashes" you and other members, you need to take it up with Nick. I was as offended by that as you are, which is one of the main reasons I did not remain a member.

Being a "mere home inspector" is something I am quite proud of. I don't need to pretend to be a Fire Marshall for my self esteem as Nick suggests by some of his erroneously described "changes to federal laws" that some fabricated association on another ill-conceived NACHI Tv infomercial recently hyped.

Now...enough of McKenna's attempt to hijack the thread....

It's not about Nick or his ASHI bashing. It's about an opportunity to overturn some very bad HI laws in several states. We have the means and the opportunity.

Now is the time.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Still waiting for those posts that you described from me. Did you find them, yet?

By the way, John, it was Nick...not me...who said that NACHI is not an association for "mere home inspectors" and "never will be, again". If that "bashes" you and other members, you need to take it up with Nick. I was as offended by that as you are, which is one of the main reasons I did not remain a member.

Nick's reference makes me proud that InterNACHI is not just for mere home
inspectors. It is for those who go above and beyond just the minimum, and
for those who specialize in many of the more complex disciplines.

You are twisting Nicks comments. The real reason you quite is because
Nick would not give you the MONEY for your agenda. He would not
finance your narrow political ideas. You were not offended about Nick's
vision of more education, training and specialized tools for inspectors.
You were offended because you did not get your own way.

Is ASHI helping your political agenda? You bashed them for years and
now think to convert them as well? LOL.

Your old and alone... and grasping for a meaningful purpose, but wonder
why no one will listen to you.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Nick's reference makes me proud that InterNACHI is not just for mere home
inspectors. It is for those who go above and beyond just the minimum, and
for those who specialize in many of the more complex disciplines.

You are twisting Nicks comments. The real reason you quite is because
Nick would not give you the MONEY for your agenda. He would not
finance your narrow political ideas. You were not offended about Nick's
vision of a more education, training and specialized tools for inspectors.
You were offended because you did not get your own way.

Is ASHI helping your political agenda? You bashed them for years and
now think to convert them as well? LOL.

Your old and alone... and grasping for a meaningful purpose, but wonder
why no one will listen to you.

This is my last wasted comment to you on this board, John.

You have made some incorrect statements about me that I must address before I put you on ignore.

I never asked Nick Gromicko for a single penny. He has offered to spend money on certain projects and has failed to come through on them, but never has he been solicited...or counted upon...for a single dime.

Our gripe with Nick was ... as we were fighting an attempt to push through a terrible law in Kansas and Missouri, to find him offering aid, comfort and support to our enemy while soliciting the bad guys for support for his NACHI Tv. They tricked him into believing he would be an acceptable vendor, then dismissed him and NACHI Tv, declaring that none of his videos would ever be accepted for Kansas CEUs. This...and only this...was the reason he stopped supporting the Kansas law as the "most HI friendly law in the US" and declared that "it must be stopped". He betrayed us for his own financial gain and today wants to take credit for having the law sent back to the legislature.

Now, return to your wierd reports of alien sightings, Obama's potential of raping Texan women, and all of the other small things that captures your short attention span, okay.

[Nick Gromicko]

Here is what I offered to do http://www.nachi.org/kansasletters2008.htm and everyone who ordered them, including you Jim, received them.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Here is what I offered to do http://www.nachi.org/kansasletters2008.htm and everyone who ordered them, including you Jim, received them.

Correct.

You did this immediately after Jeff Barnes informed you that (1) you would not be appointed to the committee exploring education policies in Kansas and (2) that on-line videos (like those produced by NACHI Tv) would not be given credit for CEUs.

It was your betrayal of us...prior to Barnes' betrayal of you....that lost you the support of many of us in Kansas and Missouri, Nick.

With your permission, I'd be happy to publish emails containing other unsolicited promises of support that never came to fruition.

Again...this thread really has nothing to do with you, Nick...what you did or what you didn't do is in the past.

Today, we have an opportunity to turn over a variety of bad laws...with or without your help or endorsement....the means is available to us. There are emails coming in that possibly could make national news if the cases are taken by one of these civil liberty lawyers.

It's a worthy fight and one that we can win. The past is the past...but the future can be brighter as we take advantage of the opportunities that are available to us, today.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by jbushart

This is my last wasted comment to you on this board, John.

You have made some incorrect statements about me that I must address before I put you on ignore.

I never asked Nick Gromicko for a single penny. He has offered to spend money on certain projects and has failed to come through on them, but never has he been solicited...or counted upon...for a single dime.

Now, return to your wierd reports of alien sightings, Obama's potential of raping Texan women, and all of the other small things that captures your short attention spans, okay.

You argued many times that Nick should get involved with fighting inspection
laws and overturning the ones in place. When he did not submit to every
idea you demanded, you got offended. Simple. That is when you turned on
him and continue to this day. You wanted money spent on your agenda
and Nick wanted to apply InterNACHI resouces for more education, training,
tools, benefits, services, etc...

You make Nick look good everytime you attack him.

Regarding aliens and Obama raping women, I have no idea what your
talking about. Please post a reference. I think your loosing it my friend.