ASHI Legislation in Wa. State

[Brian E. Kelly]

THE ARIZONA CHAPTER OF THE
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF HOME INSPECTORS, INC.®

STANDARDS OF PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE
For Arizona Home InspectorsAdopted by AZ ASHI Effective January 1, 2002

http://www.btr.state.az.us/AZ%20Ashi%20Standards.htm

This is how our State standards appear. If you believe AZ ASHI and ASHI in general does not get some joy from this you are mistaken. I believe that if you want WA to consider WA NACHI State Standards than you should submit them now. Or if and when legislation comes, it will be stamped by ASHI.

[cbuell]

Brian,
I have to agree with you, that looks pretty bad----the states in my opinion should not be in the business of promoting any one Association.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

YEAH RIGHT!

READ IT AND WEEP!!!


JOSEPH BURKESON, RIVERVIEW, FLORIDA

1/16/06, 7:17 AM

Joseph Burkeson vbmenu_register("postmenu_6922", true);
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member

User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79

Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmichalski
well said, John.

Incidentally, I think it would bear pointing out that requiring membership is one org (as opposed to meeting certain standards) is probably illegal. Modeled after ASHI is fine ,they can set the bar where ever they like. But requiring membership goes too far.


I can assure that ASHI would NEVER seek legislation requiring membership in their organization as a prerequisite for licensing. Furthermore, ASHI would do whatever possible to dissuade legislators from making such a gross mistake.

Not only is it a bad idea, but the real fact is its totally unnecessary. As long as NACHI holds fast to the notion that passing its non-proctored, open-book on line quiz is adequate for certifying home inspectors, ASHI will continue to win the hearts and minds of legislators who write licensing laws.


These incredible remarks remarks were posted on the NACHI BB.

I WAS BORN AT NIGHT, BUT NOT LAST NIGHT!!!!



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[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by cbuell

Brian,
I have to agree with you, that looks pretty bad----the states in my opinion should not be in the business of promoting any one Association.

I do not think it was the States fault Charles. AZ ASHI was ready with an acceptable set of standards when State Certification was authorised. They even print the standards here in AZ. The AZ standards are a little more stringent than either ASHI or NACHI national standards, but not too much. If I was in WA and a WA NACHI menmber I would draw up some WA State NACHI Standards and submit them, for review to the State. Then when push came to shove NACHI in WA would have some footing.

Good Luck.

[wforsyth]

Exactly Brian. Excellent.

Frank,

You WILL have mail later.

Wendy

[rbunzel]

Charles,

I followed legislation while I was in Colorado and help change a local ordinance to make it inspector friendly. The HI industry is small potatoes and unless Sen. Spanel had a bad inspection, I fail to see what would motivate her to propose this bill. I spoke to her legislative aide who implied that a local school help draft the bill. One can't help but think that the school would benefit from such legislation. I did a check with the Wash. state Attorney Generals office to determine if they were aware of suits against home inspectors. They did not have any on record and they could not recall any beyond that. Two of the realtors I work with are involved with Wash Association of Realtors lobby efforts. I know them personally and asked them to quietly make inquiries to see if any WAR members were sponsoring this bill. Only WAR's paid lobbyist was aware of it and WAR had no plans to support it at that point. In fact their opinion was that it wouldn't go any place.

The future will tell,

//Rick

[wforsyth]

Yes, but at any time that could change. I think someone has to be on top of this all the time.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

YEAH RIGHT!

READ IT AND WEEP!!!


JOSEPH BURKESON, RIVERVIEW, FLORIDA

1/16/06, 7:17 AM

Joseph Burkeson vbmenu_register("postmenu_6922", true);
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member

User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79

Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmichalski
well said, John.

Incidentally, I think it would bear pointing out that requiring membership is one org (as opposed to meeting certain standards) is probably illegal. Modeled after ASHI is fine ,they can set the bar where ever they like. But requiring membership goes too far.


I can assure that ASHI would NEVER seek legislation requiring membership in their organization as a prerequisite for licensing. Furthermore, ASHI would do whatever possible to dissuade legislators from making such a gross mistake.

Not only is it a bad idea, but the real fact is its totally unnecessary. As long as NACHI holds fast to the notion that passing its non-proctored, open-book on line quiz is adequate for certifying home inspectors, ASHI will continue to win the hearts and minds of legislators who write licensing laws.


These incredible remarks remarks were posted on the NACHI BB.

I WAS BORN AT NIGHT, BUT NOT LAST NIGHT!!!!



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I stand on my comment. ASHI's licensing goal is to promote sound legislature that both protect the consumer and the profession. If it looks like ASHI is only promoting their Position Statement on Regulation of Home Inspectors it is is only because the organization you belong to has no such plan in place at this time.

Don't blame ASHI if the government finds their time tested, trusted, accepted (and quoted by many NACHI members who claim their reports are in compliance with) Standards of Practice a foundation for state licensing legislature. None of that means that ASHI is seeking exclusionary legislation, ASHI works in conjunction with many other like minded HI organizations both local and national to promote consumer-backed licensing.

ASHI is dedicated to the protection of the homebuying public, home inspectors and the home inspector profession. ASHI’s position regarding the regulation of home inspectors is to support regulation when it includes the requirements outlined in this document. Inclusion of these provisions provides protection to the consumer and to the home inspector. ASHI will work to change or, if necessary, stop legislation that does not contain the minimum requirements.

ASHI will act to influence any legislation or regulation intended to affect the home inspection profession. ASHI has resources available to its membership; unaffiliated home inspectors; state and local governments; and consumers. In addition to this document, ASHI has a Legislative Committee and professional staff who will respond to requests for information and will review any proposed legislation that has been introduced in any state.


ASHI Members are located in all 50 states and have worked closely with state and local governments to enhance the integrity of the home buying process. Home inspectors are the only professionals who solely represent the homebuyer’s interest in this very important transaction. The ASHI Model Legislation provides the best starting point for uniformity and consumer protection. The Model reflects standards that have worked well in the marketplace. ASHI encourages state legislators to adopt the ASHI framework as a template for drafting new laws regulating home inspectors and home inspection practices.

Posts like yours only help to further divide and diminish our profession while highlighting your ignorance and inexperience.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by jburkeson

I stand on my comment. ASHI's licensing goal is to promote sound legislature that both protect the consumer and the profession. If it looks like ASHI is only promoting their

Originally Posted by jburkeson

Position Statement on Regulation of Home Inspectors it is is only because the organization you belong to has no such plan in place at this time.

Originally Posted by jburkeson

Don't blame ASHI if the government finds their time tested, trusted, accepted (and quoted by many NACHI members who claim their reports are in compliance with) Standards of Practice a foundation for state licensing legislature. None of that means that ASHI is seeking exclusionary legislation, ASHI works in conjunction with many other like minded HI organizations both local and national to promote consumer-backed licensing.


Posts like yours only help to further divide and diminish our profession while highlighting your ignorance and inexperience.

Hi Wendy!

One of the things that you will find on this board is that there are people with hidden agendas.

When the spotlight shines on their subversive actions, and seditious remarks they resort to name calling, slander, libelous remarks, and malign both the member who calls their attention to their seditious actions, and malign NACHI as an organization.

I have enclosed the following remarks by Mr. Burkeson. YOU read it and then tell me that this person is not;

{A} An ASHI promoter.

{B} An ASHI apologist.

{C} A NACHI antagonist

You can click on this man's "profile" and see that for over a year he has written slanderous, libelous, and seditious statements against;

{1} NACHI as an organization

{2} The NACHI entrance examination

{3} The integrity of everyone who has taken and passed the NACHI
entrance examination. {Yes Wendy that means both you, me and
EVERY NACHI member who is reading this post}

{4} ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, He has attacked and slandered the
leadership of the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors.

{5} ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, he has violated the NACHI Code of
Ethics, and has flaunted this fact.

Read his posts and tell me if you think that Mr. Joseph Burkeson has not written slanderous, and seditious statements against NACHI standards, NACHI members, and NACHI as an orgination.
1. Duty to the Profession and NACHI
2. The NACHI member will strive to improve the Home Inspection Industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the member from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.
3. The NACHI member shall assist the NACHI leadership in disseminating and publicizing the benefits of NACHI membership.
4. The NACHI member will not engage in any act or practice that could be deemed damaging, seditious or destructive to NACHI, fellow NACHI members, NACHI employees, leadership or directors. Member(s) accused of acting or deemed in violation of such rules shall be reviewed by the Ethics committee for possible sanctions and/or expulsion from NACHI. Questions and comments should be directed to Joe Farsetta, Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee Chairperson, at jjf10965@yahoo.com


MARCH 01, 2006 @ 1:31 PM

Mr. Burkeson,
I am putting you on official notice that I will be consulting with the other members of the Code of Ethics Commitee about your numerous and falgarnt violations of the NACHI Code of Ethics.

When a decision is reached you will receive Official Notice in writing.

Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee

Members of the Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee are:

• Frank Carrio, Sr.
• Erby Crofutt
• Joe Farsetta
• Joseph Ferry
• Bruce Kirby
• Frank Magfredu
• Cheryl Nordby
• Gary Porter
• Russel Spriggs
  

SLANDEROUS AND LIBELOUS COMMENTS ABOUT NACHI FROM:

JOSEPH BURKESON, RIVERVIEW, FLORIDA1/16/06, 7:17 AM
Joseph Burkesonvbmenu_register("postmenu_6922", true);
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmichalski
well said, John.
Incidentally, I think it would bear pointing out that requiring membership is one org (as opposed to meeting certain standards) is probably illegal. Modeled after ASHI is fine ,they can set the bar where ever they like. But requiring membership goes too far.

I can assure that ASHI would NEVER seek legislation requiring membership in their organization as a prerequisite for licensing. Furthermore, ASHI would do whatever possible to dissuade legislators from making such a gross mistake.

Not only is it a bad idea, but the real fact is its totally unnecessary. As long as NACHI holds fast to the notion that passing its non-proctored, open-book on line quiz is adequate for certifying home inspectors, ASHI will continue to win the hearts and minds of legislators who write licensing laws.

1/16/06, 7:34 AM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: Missouri Inspector Licensing
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbush
Whether Bushart is interested or not is irrelevant.

From a practical point of view I agree completely (my personal experience with Mr. Bushart has reveled he is about as useful as tits on a bull) correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mr. Bushart the voice for NACHI on the legislative committee?

In that capacity Mr. Bushart's involvement becomes relevant to each and every NACHI member, especially those operating their business in Missouri and are seeking to still be in business when this is resolved.

1/16/06, 7:53 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfarsetta
Joe B,
Here in NY, the legislators listened to NACHI because we had no agenda. ASHI-sponsored legislation, and lobbiests didnt go as far as two country bumpkins. And by the way, they recognized the NACHI, unproctored, online "quiz" for grandfathering.
So much for ASHI winning the hearts and minds of legislators.

How long will it be before NY realizes they were sold a bill of goods, that the NACHI quiz is meaningless relative to competency and when they finally come to their senses where will NACHI's standing then be?

Do you honestly believe the NACHI test will survive the strict scrutiny it will face when the NY legislators find out NACHI played them? I expect that both NACHI and its members who rely on the NACHI test as an icon of competency will one day be rousted from their slumber. You can rest assured those reliable sound organizations who produce valid, proctored exams and promote them in the marketplace will not stand by and allow this travesty to continue.

Now is not the time to rest on your laurels, as there will be an onslaught by the NHIE, ICC and other respectable organizations that will make it their quest to educate the NY legislators to their mistake, expect it now and plan for the worse.

1/16/06, 10:10 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfarsetta
Joe,
Once again you're talking out of your ... well, I'll leave that to everyone's imagination.
NY has rejected the NHIE for licensing. They recognized NACHI, NHIE, and NAHI CRI up until Jan 1st, 2006, after which time, the State's test replaces all. The State exam tests minimum competency of inspectors. They continue to reject the advice of any inspectors from any organization with an agenda.
As to being sold a bill of goods, we sold them nothing. We never mentioned NACHI, other than to offer them a database full of validated questions. Our members took some folks from the Dept of State on live inspections. We never spoke to anyone interms of NACHI. This is why we were invited back again and again.
The legislators knew the score. They still do. The Department of State also knows the score, as does the Governor.
For someone who seems to dislike this org, and has for some time, one would simply wonder why you stick around. Surely you have outgrown this playground... no? Your posts seem to indicate so, as does your rhetoricabout a day of reconing.
You insult the legislature of NY, its Governor, and its Department of State. You insult every NY NACHI member. And worst of all, you know absolutely nothing of what you speak. The HI Advisory serves the Secretary of State. Its charter is advisory only. I can attend all of their meetings, and can rebut or challenge every recommendation they make. Additionally, they are comprised of 3 inspectors and 3 non inspectors. If the deck is stacked, they will be in for some trouble. The system was intentionally set up that way, after the disaster that was NJ HI licensing.
As to ICC, speak to an attorney if they believe an inspector is at higher risk being ICC certified, and advertising as such.

Bookmarked for a future crow eating event. It is a shame that I only insulted every NY NACHI member I was hoping to insult EVERY NACHI member who stands on the NACHI test as the criteria of their so called certification, I'll need to do better next time.
2/6/06, 7:37 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 74
Re: Exam verification

Obviously NYS wised-up to their blunder of allowing a test as weak as our on-line exam to be used as a benchmark for HI licensing. More likely though it was the thousands of others quietly working in the background undermining NACHI's efforts to legitimize this hokey test that caused NYS to create their own proctored, non-open-book exam and rightly so. As long as we persist in pushing this piece-o-crap exam as a legitimate entrance exam, forces will continue to diligently work to exposes it for the sham it is.

1/18/06, 5:13 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: ASHI members going bullistic over CMI Terms of Use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko
I do want a CMI, but what CMI? Even Joe Farsetta is likely willing to entertain a proposal to "change" (or as I like to say... "evolve") the http://www.nachi.org/cmirequirements.htm

Looks to me like an extreme sleezbag attempt to sell a bogus, good for nothing CMI education course. Tell me, what local, state or federal organization will acknowledge the elevated status of a CMI holder? My guess is none, I'll allow Mr. Farsetta and his CMI Three-Ring-Circus to prove me wrong.

When someone takes an NHIE prep course and then goes on to pass the NHIE they are awarded a nationally respected certificate, same goes for any of the ICC courses & exams. When the CMI is worth something then I might be interested, till then I'll devote my time & money to worthwhile pursuits with proven returns.


To: Frank Carrio From: Joseph Burkeson,
In regards to your ICC status there is a world of difference between an ICC MEMBER (my current status) and a ICC Certified Member which you claim to be on your website.

Your a phony who claims to be ICC certified and at best you are only a member who has never taken a ICC Certified Exam. So with that lie uncovered the rest of your credentials become suspect.

As far as my ASHI membership is concerned you are just another pitiful inspector who is either unable or unwilling to do the work required to measure up. it appears NACHI has a penchant for advancing inexperienced and untested inspectors whose credentials and education are questionable. Looks to me that you are just another in a long line of professional wannabees whose HI business is built on sand and the tide of licensing is rising.


From Frank Carrio
Mr. Burkeson, by your comments I can only surmise that you have never been to trial. As I stated earlier I am a recognized Technical Consultant and recognized Expert Witness in several New England Judicial Systems.
When it comes to the Opposing Consuls typical courtroom strategy concerning an Expert Witness the first rule of law is…..Discredit them.
Every Professional Certification is investigated to see if it is;
{A} Valid.
{B} Ever been revoked or suspended.
{C} Current / Up to date.
{D} Issued from a Long Term, Well Established, reputable Learning Institution or Professional / Technical Association.

It this day and age of instant information it would be foolish to try and deceive the court. Perjury is a felony.
So, I ask you once again. How do you see your disparaging, slanderous, and libelous remarks as “Just Trying to Help?”
As far as my “Deep Pockets” are concerned. Yes they are. My rates are $150.00 per hour and I typically work 16 to 18 hour days, 6 to 7 days a week. That is a FACT. and that is, and has been DOCUMENTED for many years.
My last “non working” vacation was eleven years ago.
I LOVE my work!
I LOVE my Profession, and I take GREAT PRIDE in the fact that I have NEVER lost a court case!
I have already contacted an attorney in Florida. They tell me that this case is “Cut & Dried” and a “Winnable Case.” On Monday February 20, 2006 MONEY, will be changing hands.
They suggested that in order to prove I was being “reasonable” that I give you a chance to apologize. I give you one last chance to do the right thing.
It is in YOUR hands.
Besides Personal Pride, and Professional Reputation, that is why I take defamation of character, very seriously.
Slander, Libelous comments, and DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER can not only ruin your reputation, but put you out of business. I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!


Wendy,

The ASHI attempt to take over all of the states has been gong on for a very long time. Here are just some of the past comments.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 12:40 AM Post subject:
ASHI claims to have fought FL licensing in an effort to protect the equity in their brand around the Tampa area. ASHI's Scott Patterson however revealed the real reason ASHI wants no minimum standard established... because 2/5ths of ASHI's income comes from their come-only-with-cash Candidacy diploma mill, which would be wiped out with state licensing. Furthermore, ASHI's Scott Patterson announced, right here on this message board, that ASHI now counts these cash-only wannabees as ASHI members. I find it difficult to believe that FABI would recognize the operator of Florida's largest diploma mill as anything than what it truly is... scum. Don't start in with the logo-usage crap either as we all know that full ASHI members are merely diploma mill inspectors that have done a certain number of unqualified inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers, encouraged by the operator of the diploma mill. And in a day and age where every reporting form and software company complies with every association's SOP... don't start bragging about 5 of the diploma mill inspector's reports being verified for SOP compliance crap either. FABI should be ashamed of recognizing ASHI as anything more than a diploma mill.
--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 1:05 AM Post subject:
Where does what come from? My determination to visit every REALTOR broker/owner in Tampa and explain to them that using an inspector that displays the ASHI logo indirectly, but surely, hurts consumers, REALTORS, and our shared industry?
--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79 cents /day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 1:51 AM Post subject:
Jeff,

ASHI full membership is not the issue as any inspector who survives his first 250 inspectors (albeit on the back of poor consumers) is no longer encouraged by ASHI to go out and perform any more unqualified inspections for consumers.

The issue is:

ASHI dumps thousands of wannabees, that don't even know they shoudn't be in this business... into our markets in return for cash only: http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/candidate_application.htm NACHI's front-loading of its membership requirements alerts these laid-off techies that the inspection business is harder than they thought... and they go away. It is not who NACHI lets in, it is who NACHI lets know they shouldn't be in that is important. Anyway...

Then ASHI does the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of... ASHI tells their diploma mill applicants the following (hold on to your seat Jeff... this one is really disgusting):

"Hey you stupid Candidate who sent us $$$, you wanna be a full member of ASHI? Go out and do inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers. No exams, no quizzes, and no education necessary. F over these poor consumers enough times and we'll make you a full member. If you are having trouble getting in your inspections... cut your prices and screw over the whole industry while you are at it. We don't care as long as you send us $$$. signed ASHI."

The ASHI logo stands for diploma mill operator.
--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 2:14 AM Post subject:
Recognized for what????!!!!

A full member of ASHI is nothing more than a fella who has been encouraged by his diploma mill to F- over a certain number of consumers by performing unqualified inspections and having $15 to buy the answers to the NHIE on ebay.

If this is FABI's "requirements" I'd scratch their logo off your letterhead if I were you.
--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 2:16 AM Post subject:
I'm about to throw my laptop across the room. FABI recognizes ASHI full members, which are nothing more than diploma mill graduates, which are nothing more than people who sent in money.

You are a home inspector! It is like the foundation of a house.... and here is your footer:

http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/candidate_application.htm

good night all.
--
Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Hi Wendy!

One of the things that you will find on this board is that there are people with hidden agendas.

When the spotlight shines on their subversive actions, and seditious remarks they resort to name calling, slander, libelous remarks, and malign both the member who calls their attention to their seditious actions, and malign NACHI as an organization.

I have enclosed the following remarks by Mr. Burkeson. YOU read it and then tell me that this person is not;

{A} An ASHI promoter.

{B} An ASHI apologist.

{C} A NACHI antagonist

You can click on this man's "profile" and see that for over a year he has written slanderous, libelous, and seditious statements against;

{1} NACHI as an organization

{2} The NACHI entrance examination

{3} The integrity of everyone who has taken and passed the NACHI
entrance examination. {Yes Wendy that means both you, me and
EVERY NACHI member who is reading this post}

{4} ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, He has attacked and slandered the
leadership of the National Association of Certified Home Inspectors.

{5} ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, he has violated the NACHI Code of
Ethics, and has flaunted this fact.

Read his posts and tell me if you think that Mr. Joseph Burkeson has not written slanderous, and seditious statements against NACHI standards, NACHI members, and NACHI as an orgination.
1. Duty to the Profession and NACHI
2. The NACHI member will strive to improve the Home Inspection Industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the member from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.
3. The NACHI member shall assist the NACHI leadership in disseminating and publicizing the benefits of NACHI membership.
4. The NACHI member will not engage in any act or practice that could be deemed damaging, seditious or destructive to NACHI, fellow NACHI members, NACHI employees, leadership or directors. Member(s) accused of acting or deemed in violation of such rules shall be reviewed by the Ethics committee for possible sanctions and/or expulsion from NACHI. Questions and comments should be directed to Joe Farsetta, Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee Chairperson, at jjf10965@yahoo.com


MARCH 01, 2006 @ 1:31 PM

Mr. Burkeson,
I am putting you on official notice that I will be consulting with the other members of the Code of Ethics Commitee about your numerous and falgarnt violations of the NACHI Code of Ethics.

When a decision is reached you will receive Official Notice in writing.

Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee

Members of the Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee are:

• Frank Carrio, Sr.
• Erby Crofutt
• Joe Farsetta
• Joseph Ferry
• Bruce Kirby
• Frank Magfredu
• Cheryl Nordby
• Gary Porter
• Russel Spriggs
  

SLANDEROUS AND LIBELOUS COMMENTS ABOUT NACHI FROM:

JOSEPH BURKESON, RIVERVIEW, FLORIDA1/16/06, 7:17 AM
Joseph Burkesonvbmenu_register("postmenu_6922", true);
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmichalski
well said, John.
Incidentally, I think it would bear pointing out that requiring membership is one org (as opposed to meeting certain standards) is probably illegal. Modeled after ASHI is fine ,they can set the bar where ever they like. But requiring membership goes too far.

I can assure that ASHI would NEVER seek legislation requiring membership in their organization as a prerequisite for licensing. Furthermore, ASHI would do whatever possible to dissuade legislators from making such a gross mistake.

Not only is it a bad idea, but the real fact is its totally unnecessary. As long as NACHI holds fast to the notion that passing its non-proctored, open-book on line quiz is adequate for certifying home inspectors, ASHI will continue to win the hearts and minds of legislators who write licensing laws.

1/16/06, 7:34 AM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: Missouri Inspector Licensing
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbush
Whether Bushart is interested or not is irrelevant.

From a practical point of view I agree completely (my personal experience with Mr. Bushart has reveled he is about as useful as tits on a bull) correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mr. Bushart the voice for NACHI on the legislative committee?

In that capacity Mr. Bushart's involvement becomes relevant to each and every NACHI member, especially those operating their business in Missouri and are seeking to still be in business when this is resolved.

1/16/06, 7:53 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfarsetta
Joe B,
Here in NY, the legislators listened to NACHI because we had no agenda. ASHI-sponsored legislation, and lobbiests didnt go as far as two country bumpkins. And by the way, they recognized the NACHI, unproctored, online "quiz" for grandfathering.
So much for ASHI winning the hearts and minds of legislators.

How long will it be before NY realizes they were sold a bill of goods, that the NACHI quiz is meaningless relative to competency and when they finally come to their senses where will NACHI's standing then be?

Do you honestly believe the NACHI test will survive the strict scrutiny it will face when the NY legislators find out NACHI played them? I expect that both NACHI and its members who rely on the NACHI test as an icon of competency will one day be rousted from their slumber. You can rest assured those reliable sound organizations who produce valid, proctored exams and promote them in the marketplace will not stand by and allow this travesty to continue.

Now is not the time to rest on your laurels, as there will be an onslaught by the NHIE, ICC and other respectable organizations that will make it their quest to educate the NY legislators to their mistake, expect it now and plan for the worse.

1/16/06, 10:10 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: NACHI, CMI, Questions to membership
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfarsetta
Joe,
Once again you're talking out of your ... well, I'll leave that to everyone's imagination.
NY has rejected the NHIE for licensing. They recognized NACHI, NHIE, and NAHI CRI up until Jan 1st, 2006, after which time, the State's test replaces all. The State exam tests minimum competency of inspectors. They continue to reject the advice of any inspectors from any organization with an agenda.
As to being sold a bill of goods, we sold them nothing. We never mentioned NACHI, other than to offer them a database full of validated questions. Our members took some folks from the Dept of State on live inspections. We never spoke to anyone interms of NACHI. This is why we were invited back again and again.
The legislators knew the score. They still do. The Department of State also knows the score, as does the Governor.
For someone who seems to dislike this org, and has for some time, one would simply wonder why you stick around. Surely you have outgrown this playground... no? Your posts seem to indicate so, as does your rhetoricabout a day of reconing.
You insult the legislature of NY, its Governor, and its Department of State. You insult every NY NACHI member. And worst of all, you know absolutely nothing of what you speak. The HI Advisory serves the Secretary of State. Its charter is advisory only. I can attend all of their meetings, and can rebut or challenge every recommendation they make. Additionally, they are comprised of 3 inspectors and 3 non inspectors. If the deck is stacked, they will be in for some trouble. The system was intentionally set up that way, after the disaster that was NJ HI licensing.
As to ICC, speak to an attorney if they believe an inspector is at higher risk being ICC certified, and advertising as such.

Bookmarked for a future crow eating event. It is a shame that I only insulted every NY NACHI member I was hoping to insult EVERY NACHI member who stands on the NACHI test as the criteria of their so called certification, I'll need to do better next time.
2/6/06, 7:37 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 74
Re: Exam verification

Obviously NYS wised-up to their blunder of allowing a test as weak as our on-line exam to be used as a benchmark for HI licensing. More likely though it was the thousands of others quietly working in the background undermining NACHI's efforts to legitimize this hokey test that caused NYS to create their own proctored, non-open-book exam and rightly so. As long as we persist in pushing this piece-o-crap exam as a legitimate entrance exam, forces will continue to diligently work to exposes it for the sham it is.

1/18/06, 5:13 PM
Joseph Burkeson
Square-One Inspection Service, LLC
NACHI Member
User Name: jburkeson
Location: Riverview, FL
Posts: 79
Re: ASHI members going bullistic over CMI Terms of Use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gromicko
I do want a CMI, but what CMI? Even Joe Farsetta is likely willing to entertain a proposal to "change" (or as I like to say... "evolve") the http://www.nachi.org/cmirequirements.htm

Looks to me like an extreme sleezbag attempt to sell a bogus, good for nothing CMI education course. Tell me, what local, state or federal organization will acknowledge the elevated status of a CMI holder? My guess is none, I'll allow Mr. Farsetta and his CMI Three-Ring-Circus to prove me wrong.

When someone takes an NHIE prep course and then goes on to pass the NHIE they are awarded a nationally respected certificate, same goes for any of the ICC courses & exams. When the CMI is worth something then I might be interested, till then I'll devote my time & money to worthwhile pursuits with proven returns.


To: Frank Carrio From: Joseph Burkeson,
In regards to your ICC status there is a world of difference between an ICC MEMBER (my current status) and a ICC Certified Member which you claim to be on your website.

Your a phony who claims to be ICC certified and at best you are only a member who has never taken a ICC Certified Exam. So with that lie uncovered the rest of your credentials become suspect.

As far as my ASHI membership is concerned you are just another pitiful inspector who is either unable or unwilling to do the work required to measure up. it appears NACHI has a penchant for advancing inexperienced and untested inspectors whose credentials and education are questionable. Looks to me that you are just another in a long line of professional wannabees whose HI business is built on sand and the tide of licensing is rising.


From Frank Carrio
Mr. Burkeson, by your comments I can only surmise that you have never been to trial. As I stated earlier I am a recognized Technical Consultant and recognized Expert Witness in several New England Judicial Systems.
When it comes to the Opposing Consuls typical courtroom strategy concerning an Expert Witness the first rule of law is…..Discredit them.
Every Professional Certification is investigated to see if it is;
{A} Valid.
{B} Ever been revoked or suspended.
{C} Current / Up to date.
{D} Issued from a Long Term, Well Established, reputable Learning Institution or Professional / Technical Association.

It this day and age of instant information it would be foolish to try and deceive the court. Perjury is a felony.
So, I ask you once again. How do you see your disparaging, slanderous, and libelous remarks as “Just Trying to Help?”
As far as my “Deep Pockets” are concerned. Yes they are. My rates are $150.00 per hour and I typically work 16 to 18 hour days, 6 to 7 days a week. That is a FACT. and that is, and has been DOCUMENTED for many years.
My last “non working” vacation was eleven years ago.
I LOVE my work!
I LOVE my Profession, and I take GREAT PRIDE in the fact that I have NEVER lost a court case!
I have already contacted an attorney in Florida. They tell me that this case is “Cut & Dried” and a “Winnable Case.” On Monday February 20, 2006 MONEY, will be changing hands.
They suggested that in order to prove I was being “reasonable” that I give you a chance to apologize. I give you one last chance to do the right thing.
It is in YOUR hands.
Besides Personal Pride, and Professional Reputation, that is why I take defamation of character, very seriously.
Slander, Libelous comments, and DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER can not only ruin your reputation, but put you out of business. I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!


Wendy,

The ASHI attempt to take over all of the states has been gong on for a very long time. Here are just some of the past comments.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 12:40 AM Post subject:
ASHI claims to have fought FL licensing in an effort to protect the equity in their brand around the Tampa area. ASHI's Scott Patterson however revealed the real reason ASHI wants no minimum standard established... because 2/5ths of ASHI's income comes from their come-only-with-cash Candidacy diploma mill, which would be wiped out with state licensing. Furthermore, ASHI's Scott Patterson announced, right here on this message board, that ASHI now counts these cash-only wannabees as ASHI members. I find it difficult to believe that FABI would recognize the operator of Florida's largest diploma mill as anything than what it truly is... scum. Don't start in with the logo-usage crap either as we all know that full ASHI members are merely diploma mill inspectors that have done a certain number of unqualified inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers, encouraged by the operator of the diploma mill. And in a day and age where every reporting form and software company complies with every association's SOP... don't start bragging about 5 of the diploma mill inspector's reports being verified for SOP compliance crap either. FABI should be ashamed of recognizing ASHI as anything more than a diploma mill.
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Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 1:05 AM Post subject:
Where does what come from? My determination to visit every REALTOR broker/owner in Tampa and explain to them that using an inspector that displays the ASHI logo indirectly, but surely, hurts consumers, REALTORS, and our shared industry?
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Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79 cents /day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 1:51 AM Post subject:
Jeff,

ASHI full membership is not the issue as any inspector who survives his first 250 inspectors (albeit on the back of poor consumers) is no longer encouraged by ASHI to go out and perform any more unqualified inspections for consumers.

The issue is:

ASHI dumps thousands of wannabees, that don't even know they shoudn't be in this business... into our markets in return for cash only: http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/candidate_application.htm NACHI's front-loading of its membership requirements alerts these laid-off techies that the inspection business is harder than they thought... and they go away. It is not who NACHI lets in, it is who NACHI lets know they shouldn't be in that is important. Anyway...

Then ASHI does the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of... ASHI tells their diploma mill applicants the following (hold on to your seat Jeff... this one is really disgusting):

"Hey you stupid Candidate who sent us $$$, you wanna be a full member of ASHI? Go out and do inspections for poor, unsuspecting consumers. No exams, no quizzes, and no education necessary. F over these poor consumers enough times and we'll make you a full member. If you are having trouble getting in your inspections... cut your prices and screw over the whole industry while you are at it. We don't care as long as you send us $$$. signed ASHI."

The ASHI logo stands for diploma mill operator.
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Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 2:14 AM Post subject:
Recognized for what????!!!!

A full member of ASHI is nothing more than a fella who has been encouraged by his diploma mill to F- over a certain number of consumers by performing unqualified inspections and having $15 to buy the answers to the NHIE on ebay.

If this is FABI's "requirements" I'd scratch their logo off your letterhead if I were you.
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Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Nick Gromicko

Founder
NACHI Member: Staff Location: Valley Forge, PA
Posts: 7876
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 2:16 AM Post subject:
I'm about to throw my laptop across the room. FABI recognizes ASHI full members, which are nothing more than diploma mill graduates, which are nothing more than people who sent in money.

You are a home inspector! It is like the foundation of a house.... and here is your footer:

http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/candidate_application.htm

good night all.
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Nick Gromicko
Founder
dues=79cents/day.

Good luck with that... I have had bigger assholes then you go after me, and the bigger they are the harder they fall. Just when we finally get rid of Captian NACHI we get this asshole, will it never end.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by jburkeson

Good luck with that... I have had bigger assholes then you go after me, and the bigger they are the harder they fall. Just when we finally get rid of Captian NACHI we get this asshole, will it never end.

Mr. Burkeson, YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!

NACHI CODE OF ETHICS

1. Duty to Continue Education
2. The NACHI member will comply with NACHI's current Continuing Education Requirements.
3. The NACHI member shall pass the NACHI's Online Inspector Exam once every calendar year.
4. Duty to the Profession and NACHI
5. The NACHI member will strive to improve the Home Inspection Industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the member from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.
6. The NACHI member shall assist the NACHI leadership in disseminating and publicizing the benefits of NACHI membership.
7. The NACHI member will not engage in any act or practice that could be deemed damaging, seditious or destructive to NACHI, fellow NACHI members, NACHI employees, leadership or directors. Member(s) accused of acting or deemed in violation of such rules shall be reviewed by the Ethics committee for possible sanctions and/or expulsion from NACHI.

Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee Members of the Ethics and Standard of Practice Committee are:

• Frank Carrio, Sr.
• Erby Crofutt
• Joe Farsetta
• Joseph Ferry
• Bruce Kirby
• Frank Magfredu
• Cheryl Nordby
• Gary Porter
• Russel Spriggs

Mr. Burkeson, I have a lot to say to you about your smart mouth, but I will save it for later.

In your arrogance do not think that just because I am not responding on this national forum that you have intimidated me, or that all will be forgotten or forgiven.

There will be a reckoning.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Mr. Burkeson, I have a lot to say to you about your smart mouth, but I will save it for later.

In your arrogance do not think that just because I am not responding on this national forum that you have intimidated me, or that all will be forgotten or forgiven.

There will be a reckoning.

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Thank You Joe!

No It was in a tournament.

I have broken my left hand once, my right hand once, SHATTERED my right hand once, and broke both of my feet.
The two broken feet were during the same month,

I can't remember the many times I have dislocated and or broken my fingers.

My Black Belt certification was issued by the Korean Government and is not a "State Side / School house" diploma.
NOTE: I am not knocking any state side schools, I was the head instructor at one for many years.

In the World of Martial Arts if you want "legitimacy" and to be beyond reproach you have go to the source.

If there is any name calling, slander, or malicious remarks they are soon "worked out."

Once again, I thank you for your kind remarks,

Warmest Regards, Frank

Based on these (2) quotes made by you I am now in fear of bodily harm from you and I am preferring a violation of ethics against you. Furthermore, I am contacting the police in your town and notifying them of this veiled threat of violence (I believe it is called brandishing) you have publicly made.

I find it ironic that someone who offers a veiled threat of violence toward another NACHI member was appointed to the ESOP committee, how perfect. What is next... a NACHI Ninja hit squad?

Brandishing is defined as the display of an item for the purpose of real or implied threat, or any act that may cause anyone to believe that the intent was there, real or implied. The intent is irrelevant under the law, and the brandishing of any weapon will be treated as assault upon another person.

All who train in the martial arts today should be aware of some specific court rulings that might bear on their actions. You don't have as many simple, clear-cut rights as you think. Brandishing your martial arts skills may lead to arrest, or a costly and complicated lawsuit. This is why attorney and judo black belt Carl Brown wrote this book. There are legal ramifications in defending yourself, be it in your home, a neighborhood bar, a parking lot or elsewhere. Different legal constraints may apply to your actions. And remember, the courts always assume you are aware of the legal limits of your actions. The old legal maxim, "Ignorance of the law is no defense," applies here, as well.

[troberts1]

Ok lets take this to the ethics commitee section and get back to the original topic and protect us washington inspectors.

We need to stick together. Lets start having a monthly meeting for all washington state NACHI Inspectors and form a NACHI Call to Action Commitee, and all of us meet monthly to draw this legislation up and get it veiwed.

Back in November I had attended a WSPCA training seminar in Renton, at this seminar there was a draft that was passed out that was less one sided, that I have saved to my computer but do not know how to get it on this thread for you all to veiw. Does any one know how to add attachments to this thread?

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by jburkeson

Based on these (2) quotes made by you I am now in fear of bodily harm from you and I am preferring a violation of ethics against you. Furthermore, I am contacting the police in your town and notifying them of this veiled threat of violence (I believe it is called brandishing) you have publicly made.

I find it ironic that someone who offers a veiled threat of violence toward another NACHI member was appointed to the ESOP committee, how perfect. What is next... a NACHI Ninja hit squad?

Mr. Burkeson!

You have got to be the world's funniest man! =D>

I have never laughed so hard in my life!

Now you are a victim ???

You should charge for this entertainment

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[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Well frank,

This is really all fun & games until someone gets hurt, right? When I spoke with Officer Haggart from your town tonight believe me he had no kind words for you. He is now in possession of your postings, maybe you should contact him 603-887-2080 and ask him what he thinks. He did not say too much but alluded to past issues, have you been in this kind of trouble before and was anyone injured?

Your implied threats are documented through the message board for all to see, as always I will allow the membership to make up their own mind. By the way, I believe the majority of the membership see me as someone who works (sometimes under hostile conditions) for the betterment of this profession, I don't always get it right, but you don't have that same luxury.

At this time I believe it would be best for NACHI and everyone concerned if you were relieved of all duties regarding the ESOP committee, you can be of little help in your condition. The ESOP committee like all of NACHI is designed to serve the membership, not to be used as a vehicle to carry out personal vendettas against its members. Your inclusion on the ESOP committee is a mockery to the membership, your rage makes you incapable of putting both NACHI and its members first and you should step down or be removed.