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Old 11/23/09, 12:46 PM
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Default ASHI's admits that money is the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements.

I was pleased to learn that this morning ASHI big wig Scott Patterson publicly admitted that ASHI is a diploma mill and that ASHI is dumping unqualified inspectors into our markets in return for money.

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I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half.
Thank you for revealing that ASHI harms consumers for money Scott.

Scott's professional biography (taken from his website) includes the following:

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  • 2004-2005 American Society of Home Inspectors National Education Committee Chairman
  • 2005-2007 American Society of Home Inspectors National Membership Committee Chairman
  • 2007-2008 President, Examination Board of Professional Home Inspectors (National Home Inspector Exam).
Here is the link where anyone can join ASHI online in about 30 seconds with nothing more than a valid credit card: https://www.homeinspector.org/join/a...n/default.aspx



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Old 11/23/09, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: ASHI's admits that money is the reason ASHI has no entrance requirements.

Hey Nick,
Why don't you post this over at Active Rain on this thread... Will and Russel have already made some comments, but several of the agents have stated they only use ASHI qualified inspectors...

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1350...al-conspiracy-
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Old 11/23/09, 12:56 PM
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Yeah, but those "several" are evolving and are small in number compared to the vast majority of agents that know to avoid ASHI diploma mill inspectors (you just don't hear about the agents that avoid ASHI as much). The odds get worse for ASHI every day. Do the right thing and play the odds.



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Old 11/23/09, 1:05 PM
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I'm all for ASHI upping their entrance requirements. I have suggested many times over the years that ASHI should require the NHIE before a person can sign up. Unfortunately the bean counters say that would cut the number of new folks who join by half.
Scott Patterson, 2004-2005 American Society of Home Inspectors National Education Committee Chairman, 2005-2007 American Society of Home Inspectors National Membership Committee Chairman - November 22, 2009.



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Old 11/23/09, 2:55 PM
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Nick, I'm no longer on any ASHI committee or do I have anything to do ASHI other than just being a member for about the past two years. I'm not an ASHI "Big Wig" as you claim. I have not admitted to anything like you claim.

I have voiced my opinion. Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.
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Old 11/23/09, 3:18 PM
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Why all the ASHI talk on the INACHI message board??



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Old 11/23/09, 3:30 PM
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Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.

Wouldn't it also be the "best thing" financially for the organization that you now head, EBPHI, who sells the NHIE and collects the money from those who take it?
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Old 11/23/09, 3:32 PM
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Wouldn't it also be the "best thing" financially for the organization that you now head, EBPHI, who sells the NHIE and collects the money from those who take it?
Why yes it would James. How odd???



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Wouldn't it also be the "best thing" financially for the organization that you now head, EBPHI, who sells the NHIE and collects the money from those who take it?
It would not be bad for EBPHI, any increase in business is good. As all funds that are raised from the sale of the NHIE go back into supporting the operations of the exam board, how could it not be a good thing.

I actually sit on the board of directors for EBPHI, I'm one of seven volunteer board members. 2010 will be my last year on the board after a 6 year commitment of volunteer service.
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Old 11/23/09, 3:59 PM
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So Scott, if InterNACHI adopted as a membership requirement, the passing of whatever state exam is required for licensing in that state, would you support ASHI doing likewise?



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Old 11/23/09, 4:01 PM
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Anything for a dollar.
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Old 11/23/09, 4:24 PM
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So Scott, if InterNACHI adopted as a membership requirement, the passing of whatever state exam is required for licensing in that state, would you support ASHI doing likewise?
What you are suggesting might not be a bad idea. I think it would need some additional thought, fine tuning and input from others, but it might have some merit. Personally, it would not make any difference to me.

Logistics might be difficult as not one single state has the same requirements as another. Due to the love hate relationship between you and a good number of folks in ASHI, I would not count on it going very far.
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Old 11/23/09, 4:28 PM
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Nick, I'm no longer on any ASHI committee or do I have anything to do ASHI other than just being a member for about the past two years. I'm not an ASHI "Big Wig" as you claim. I have not admitted to anything like you claim.

I have voiced my opinion. Yes, I would like to see ASHI, INACHI, NAHI, CREAI and every other home inspector organization require the NHIE before a person could join. It would be the best thing for our profession.
To your point, in Illinois, the state licensing exam is the same as the NHIE. I even received a completion certificate when I passed the licenseing exam.

Not a real issue, here.



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Old 11/23/09, 6:16 PM
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So Scott, if InterNACHI adopted as a membership requirement, the passing of whatever state exam is required for licensing in that state, would you support ASHI doing likewise?
Sneaky, Nick!



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Old 11/23/09, 9:10 PM
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Nick,

Requiring members to pass the NHIE in my opinion, would be a good thing for INACHI. You have mentioned over the years about the strong relationships between INACHI and local colleges. Local colleges with home inspection curriculum in licensed states prepare students for the NHIE. For those without some trade/technical background the first attempt fail rate is moderately high.
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