Another association leader says Mallory's association/ASTM meeting unfair.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

That is how it is with ASHI NORTH ( OAHI).
They just love to sell their information package to many hope to be home inspectors.
Then get those who they can out to a meeting
( They have an early section where they tell them how great home inspection is and how good they will do )
This was always a sore spot with my how OAHI would con so many and then get them to take all the OAHI courses.
These poor souls would spend up too $10,000:00 on courses that are mainly taught by Directors of OAHI.
Their chance of making it to RHI are ex termly small (like ~ one in a few hundred)
This to me is out and out stealing from many who can not afford this huge expense.
They drag them on for years all the time getting more money from them.
OAHI is and has alway been an almost a closed door association.
I have been told more then once most directors make more money from teaching then the do from home inspecting.
They give almost zero information to the membership and continue to ignore complaints.
Nachi is the best thing to come to Canada. .
The Toronto NACHI conference cost $99:00 to every body and NACHI made money.
Below is the OAHI conference and they are getting compaints about the cost.
They also picked a very expensive place to hold it .
I wonder is the hotel giving the OAHI directors free rooms?

CONFERENCE PACKAGE

- Includes all sessions, welcome reception, exhibit area, 2 breakfasts, 2 lunches, coffee breaks and Gala Awards Dinner
- Saturday only includes, sessions, exhibit area, breakfast, lunch, coffee breaks and Gala Awards Dinner
- Sunday only includes, sessions, exhibit area, breakfast, lunch and coffee breaks

On or Before After

Sept. 15/07 Sept. 15/07 Saturday Only Sunday Only

Member

1 $550.00 $600.00 $350.00 $300.00
Non-Member2 $675.00 $725.00 $425.00 $375.00

At the Door Registration

After Nov. 2/07 Saturday Only Sunday Only

Member

1 $650.00 $400.00 $350.00

Non-Member2 $775.00 $475.00 $425.00

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Joe -

If Nick is correct then the guy lied twice, cause he told everyone in earshot his dog joined NACHI.

[Doug Edwards]

Some political parties have had dogs and dead people voting for years. Did the dog write out the check too? Wish I could find a dog like that, I won't be doing home inspections much longer if I could. A dog like that is worth a lot of money. Sounds like the antics of a run of mill jackass trying to draw attention to themselves and be a "hero" in their little cabal of equally dimwitted troglodytes.

[jgroves]

Originally Posted by dedwards

Some political parties have had dogs and dead people voting for years. Did the dog write out the check too? Wish I could find a dog like that, I won't be doing home inspections much longer if I could. A dog like that is worth a lot of money. Sounds like the antics of a run of mill jackass trying to draw attention to themselves and be a "hero" in their little cabal of equally dimwitted troglodytes.

Doug, the cavemen are having enough trouble with the GEICO commercials. Why would you want to insult them any further by lumping them in with these low lifes?

[Bruce A. King]

Why worry about an ASTM SOP???

The states can't enforce what they have now...

Lots of inspectors in licensed states breezing through houses in 1-2 hours cranking out basic reports that leave out 10-50 problems per house. Do the authorities have time to find these guy's and pull their license? Nope they don't.

The consumers don't even realize what all they were supposed to learn about the house (until they try to sell it and the buyer brings in a good inspector that finds major issues in the crawlspace and attics.

Do you really think a bunch of engineers can improve on the SOPS we use now? hahahaha!!!! They might require some dimensions and some useless info be added to the report but it still won't prevent bad inspections! It takes hard work to find many problems, NOT a SOP!!!

Hey, if the ASTM SOP ends up contributing to the elimination of the one-hour inspectors maybe it will be a good thing.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by bking

Hey, if the ASTM SOP ends up contributing to the elimination of the one-hour inspectors maybe it will be a good thing.

Oh Bruce, I don't know where to begin with that one. I'm going to just assume that you are kidding.

[Bruce A. King]

Not kidding at all.

Are you a worried 1-hour inspector?

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by bking

Not kidding at all.

Are you a worried 1-hour inspector?

Since any ASTM standard is voluntary, there is no reason to think one would be more enforceable than ones that are on the books in licensing states.

Add that the development of the standard would have so may hands in it that have nothing to do with home inspection. Those who wish to have us under their thumb (RE) or do us harm (NAHI) can participate in developing the standard.

Oh, the answer is no. I am not worried about 1-hour wonders. Our state does deal with them as they are discovered. Some do inspections in areas noboby wants to go.

[William J. Decker]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

The Jerry Peck Candidate to Full-Member formula in a nutshell. He was kind enough to personally lay it out for me back in 03'.

Not to mention 'on the job' training, at the client's expense.

[Nick Gromicko]

Blaine Wiley writes:

Quote:
Originally Posted by bwiley
Sure, do 250 $100 inspections to get your time in and you can then take a test and become a full member.

jburkeson writes:
The Jerry Peck Candidate to Full-Member formula in a nutshell. He was kind enough to personally lay it out for me back in 03'.




Exactly. That is why associations that require a certain amount of unsupervised, done-right-or-wrong, inspections harm consumers and our industry (through what I call inspection dumping).

Exams with too many difficult questions also harm consumers, and may even lead to their deaths: http://www.nachi.org/examsthatharm.htm

And associations requiring proctored exams in unlicensed states (where not everyone is forced to take them) also harms consumers and leads to their deaths by failing horribly to alert most of the unqualified inspectors (most newbies in unlicensed states enter the industry without voluntarily taking proctored exams) of how little they actually know. Remember, the biggest consumer killer out there is not the incompetent inspector who knows he's incompetent, but rather the incompetent inspector who doesn't know he's incompetent.

Again, associations that require their come-only-with-cash associates to go out and screw over a certain number of poor, unsuspecting consumers by requiring a certain number of unsupervised, unqualified fee-paid inspections KILL CONSUMERS as do associations that require proctored exams in unlicensed states. NACHI requires proctored exams where everyone has to pass them by law, not in unlicensed states where it makes no sense to fail to alert and help educate incompetent newbies who can otherwise open up for business tomorrow anyway... and as Blaine and Joe pointed out... charge $100.

[nwagner]

Originally Posted by gromicko

NACHI requires proctored exams where everyone has to pass them by law, not in unlicensed states where it makes no sense to fail to alert and help educate incompetent newbies who can otherwise open up for business tomorrow anyway... and as Blaine and Joe pointed out... charge $100.

But but but A$HI has a P-R-O-C-T-O-R-E-D exam! How how how can we be confident that the user didn't cheat the test when it is not done under the supervision of a greasy-faced college student who is watching a televised baseball game in another room? Certainly, there is no way that someone else with a fake ID could pass the kindergarten test on behalf of a "home inspector" that couldn't! And it is just plain rediculous to assume that the minimum wage attendee hired 3 weeks ago wouldn't notice some kind of elaborate cheating scheme!

Proctoring- it provides the same security for testing as licensing does for the consumer of home inspection services!

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

I must agree, no association has a perfect solution and none will be forthcoming; those of us who by most standards are honest will remain honest and those of us who go through life cheating at every opportunity will also continue in their course, the problem is as old as mankind and will be with us as long as men walk the earth. I suggest we get over it and move on.

[jgroves]

Originally Posted by nwagner

Proctoring- it provides the same security for testing as licensing does for the consumer of home inspection services!

The NHIE - the Transportation Security Administration of the HI industry.

"Did you pack your own bags?" Excuse me, Mrs. 89 year old grandmother, but you have been 'randomly' selected for further screening. That's alright Achmed bin Dumb *****, I am letting you on the plane after making a spectacle of yourself in the waiting area by loudly praying to Allah. Can't 'racial profile' you know.

In the words of Justice Robert H. Jackson in his minority dissent to Terminiello v Chicago (1949) "The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."

[Doug Edwards]

I recently went and picked up my Florida State Public Adjustors license at one of those centers for such examinations. There were two old ladies in tennis shoes attending the place that issued my license, meanwhile there were folks in the next room taking an exam. There was no proctoring going on. There was a small glass window so you could see into the room but as far as these two women were concerned you could have been having a tomato orgy in the next room and they would not have noticed. All these hockey about "proctored exams" is a joke. Basically, all they do is watch the clock and at the end of the period they hustle in and take up the exams. There is about as much scrutiny taking place as there is at the bingo parlor down the street, probably less.