AZ Home inspector rules and standards committee

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Yes, I was. But remember that NACHI is ran by the book in accordance with the strict standards outlined for 501 (c) (6) organizations.

Please don't confuse membership voting with Board of Director(s) voting. Two different animals.

Confusing as hell, isn't it.

Pleas try to stay with us John, we are not talking about the Federal tax status of the org. You can start a new thread for that.

[Ted Allen]

My reason for posting in the first place was to point out that the BS of not being able to vote on things (that matter) effect alot more people and cause many more problems than "just" who is the chairman of the ESOP committee.

I think the whole thing stinks and always have. The whole (recent) MAB thing, come onnn folks. It is just wrong. The CMI thing etc.

Greg, I think this Org. is legit we just need to make other people belive it.

And don't go starting with the 10,000 members stuff that makes no diff. if it did we would be accepted as the best by every State in the nation including AZ.


2 people on the BOD's wonder what happens if there's a tie?

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by tallen

2 people on the BOD's wonder what happens if there's a tie?

According to the bylaws....................................

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

John this is what published means . Not some secret BS written an a cocktail napkin.

Elections in this case generally means

It is easy to understand NACHI's position, it is dificult to DEFEND.

I am going to start selling Dowsers to fellow NACHI members, can I be considered for a spot on the board.

Brian,

Point me to any publically posted By-laws of any 501 (c) (6) organization. Not the membership by-laws but the organizations by-laws. We can then begin to discuss it on equal terms.

You do realize that we do have separate committees within NACHI that do have their own special by-laws and elections. Guess what, the general membership doesn't get to vote there either.

Now if you all would like to do what Jim Michalski (I think) suggests and write up membership by-laws, feel free. It is doable and maybe significant at this place and time in NACHI's growth.

Nick has before stated for anyone wishing to attack it to go ahead and submit them.

[Richard L. Bennett]

And what org helped Az to write the rules so that it favored them??

Put together a NACHI chapter in Az with 50 members with elected officers and by-laws. It will take one weekend -- is there a problem here??

You don't even have to meet - just put it together on the internet. For an address use yours and call yourself president.

You also might look into the other members and see if they also qualify. -- If not get them kicked off the board -- like maybe they are not full members which means they can't vote or their membership has expired etc.

Play hard ball

rlb

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by rbennett

And what org helped Az to write the rules so that it favored them??

Put together a NACHI chapter in Az with 50 members with elected officers and by-laws. It will take one weekend -- is there a problem here??

You don't even have to meet - just put it together on the internet. For an address use yours and call yourself president.

You also might look into the other members and see if they also qualify. -- If not get them kicked off the board -- like maybe they are not full members which means they can't vote or their membership has expired etc.

Play hard ball

rlb

Richard,

Exactly....Automatic membership by every member that joins NACHI into the NACHI Arizona State Chapter which can have their own by laws, coe's, elections, etc.

You know what, it doesn't even say how long you had to have been in existence. It doesn't even address what happens if that organization closes their doors tomorrow.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Brian,

Point me to any publically posted By-laws of any 501 (c) (6) organization. Not the membership by-laws but the organizations by-laws. We can then begin to discuss it on equal terms.

You do realize that we do have separate committees within NACHI that do have their own special by-laws and elections. Guess what, the general membership doesn't get to vote there either.

Now if you all would like to do what Jim Michalski (I think) suggests and write up membership by-laws, feel free. It is doable and maybe significant at this place and time in NACHI's growth.

Nick has before stated for anyone wishing to attack it to go ahead and submit them.

We are not talking about where the money goes John, we are talking about the A in NACHI, which is the members. It is not the National Certified Secret Unappointed Committee Association, now is it. What is it with the English language that is confusing to you?

NACHI has paid staff to write bylaws John. Furthermore why would anyone volunteer to write membership bylaws when many membership suggestions are routinely quashed.

[John Bowman]

Brian,

You made the point that by-laws were public. I am asking you to point me to just one. Make sure it is a 501 (c) (6) organization now. Until then, I'm ready to move on.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Brian,

You made the point that by-laws were public. I am asking you to point me to just one. Make sure it is a 501 (c) (6) organization now. Until then, I'm ready to move on.

Well since you are ready, lets just move on then.

Or do you mean untill then I am not ready to move on.

I think I see the problem.

For the record I LIKE NACHI. I believe there is room for improvement. The board can do whatever they like with the monies recieved from membership as far as I am concerned. I would just like to see more members involved in the direction NACHI takes. You know, like a true NATIONAL ASSOCIATION.

Also for the record move on do not move on............................

[Ted Allen]

OK, the BTR say's (drum roll) They don't know LOL

However, I am (aperently) right as to a NACHI "chapter" is still NACHI and cannot be it's own entity as far as RB's comment is concerned.

Anyway they told me to go to the meetings and put it to the BOD at the BTR and see what they say.


In other words--- They don't know until they know.

Back to the show goto go. Lightning and all!!

[mcraig]

Todd I went threw this with all of NACHI 3 years ago. When I tried to get on the Board and you remember the outcome? We did have a member make it, that was Dan Harris. I am going to try again in 2 more years. As I have told all of you before to make a difference in the way things go in AZ. NACHI must have state representation but no new (under 5 years) HI can be in the BTR comities. And NACHI will never be recognized as a legal organization until they meet the rules of being a organization. I am tired of this fight I have been dealing with it by myself with the BTR for 3 years I am tired of it all. Todd I asked you before if you would take it over but you didn't want to, I have never found one state qualified NACHI member to take my place in this fight and I can't qualify for 2 more years.
Todd lets not bring this up again until there is some one who can take on this fight and can devote a lot of hours at the BTR in meetings and so on...

Anyone who wants this fight I will take you down to the BTR and you can take over the fight and I can go on to giving my business more attention.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by jbowman

ALL of the members of the NACHI organization on the Board of Directors do see them. You must understand general membership does not give us the right to see the books, demand the by-laws, etc.

It's tough to understand, I know.

I guess after all the smoke and mirrors lately I'd have to see that in writing.

But that might be hard to understand. I know.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by jbowman

Last I knew it was Nick Gromicko and Blaine Wiley. They were just redone recently, so I am not sure anymore.

When there are two members of the board of directors and there is voting, would you please explain to me how you curb nepotism?

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by tallen

Wendy,

I have no intention of joining any other Org.

I think that is completely missing the point Todd.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

John this is what published means . Not some secret BS written an a cocktail napkin.

Elections in this case generally means

It is easy to understand NACHI's position, it is dificult to DEFEND.

I am going to start selling Dowsers to fellow NACHI members, can I be considered for a spot on the board.

That's what I'm saying. Exactly.