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Old 2/13/07, 7:00 AM
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New Jersey, once known for its tough Home Inspecting Licensure Laws, now has some unlicensed competition. Is this to be the trend for future licensed states....?

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We offer the following services and pricing schedule:


Home Health Survey and Home Examination........$200.00

THIS IS THE MINIMUM SERVICE YOU CAN ORDER TO GET FREE INSPECTION !!! *


Inspection by NJ Licensed Inspectors..................$350.00
Termite Inspection........................................ ...$ 50.00
Radon Testing........................................... ......$125.00
Well Water Testing for Refinance...................... $150.00
Well Water Testing for NJ Certification................$550.00 and up
Septic Testing........................................... ......$250.00
Mold Testing........................................... ........$150.00 and up
Lead Paint Testing.......................... $150.00 partial, $400 full
Underground Oil Tank Testing - Soil Test...........$400.00
Computerized Tank Test............$475.00
Roof, Electric, Plumbing, Heating Certs for FHA, VA,
USRDA...........................................$1 25.00/each

The minimum charge per visit is $200.00, however, the home inspection
is free with the purchase of the Home Health Survey and Examination or any additional inspection service beyond that.

For example, a Free Home Inspection with Home Health Survey and Termite Certification is only $250.00 - our most popular package!

A totally certified, licensed and insured NJ Home Inspection with termite certification and radon test is $500.00.

* THE HOME HEALTH SURVEY AND HOME EXAM covers electrical, plumbing, heating & a/c, roofing and structure. In addition, we provide renovation estimates (how much you'll need to budget in the first year of ownership) and all the info you'll need to answer questions from your homeowners insurance agency !!! We cover virtually everything in and out of the house except pools, sprinkler systems, security systems, etc. It is a virtually identical process as the state certified and licensed inspectors - only at a greatly reduced cost !!!

Visit the home of the $200 home inspection, right here.



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Old 2/13/07, 7:07 AM
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Default Re: How to beat the system....?

In any other market (think Wal-Mart) ideas like this would be heralded as... In keeping with the American spirit, entrepreneurial, customer oriented capitalism. What makes the home inspection profession exempt from progress?



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Old 2/13/07, 7:32 AM
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What makes the home inspection profession exempt from progress?
Not a thing.

Licensing solves nothing.



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Old 2/13/07, 7:48 AM
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Agreed, just another conformation that restrictive licensing laws solve nothing and should not be employed to circumvent free trade within a country founded on the capitalistic pursuit of freedom through entrepreneurial enterprise.



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Old 2/13/07, 8:33 AM
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I can see this starting up in several states.

Wisconsin, for example, restricts home inspections "for compensation". An enterprising and neighboring Illinois Inspector can advertise his well inspections for $250, which would include his free home inspection.

There is nothing more American than to find the legal loophole to advance free enterprise. You gotta love it.



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Old 2/13/07, 9:15 AM
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Nope....call a spade a spade in WI...wisconsin defines a home inspection...and you must be licensed to perform it....whether free or not.

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I can see this starting up in several states.

Wisconsin, for example, restricts home inspections "for compensation". An enterprising and neighboring Illinois Inspector can advertise his well inspections for $250, which would include his free home inspection.

There is nothing more American than to find the legal loophole to advance free enterprise. You gotta love it.
Bushy... You gotta love it what loop hole???
Nicks been doing the same thing for years.
This ain't anything different than paying your buddy nick 289.00 for worthless non delivered benefits, available for free from everwhere by doing a little of their own research, and to be instantly marketed to the public as a "certified" inspector.. new inspectors fall for his scam everytime
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Old 2/13/07, 9:20 AM
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Nope....call a spade a spade in WI...wisconsin difines a home inspection...and you must be licensed to perform it....whether free or not.
I don't think so. A home inspector is defined by your law as one who inspects home "for compensation". If one is giving "free home inspections", he would not fall under the licensing law, IMO.



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Old 2/13/07, 9:37 AM
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I don't think so. A home inspector is defined by your law as one who inspects home "for compensation". If one is giving "free home inspections", he would not fall under the licensing law.
Lets see using that logic one might believe that they could perform surgery or practice medicine without a license if they were dispensing it for free. In licensed states this loop hole will most likely be closed in future legislation.

But there is no restrictions on licensed professionals dispensing for free if they chose to.



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Old 2/13/07, 9:46 AM
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Lets see using that logic one might believe that they could perform surgery or practice medicine without a license if they were dispensing it for free. In licensed states this loop hole will most likely be closed in future legislation.

But there is no restrictions on licensed professionals dispensing for free if they chose to.
Joe,

If the law defines a home inspector as one who inspects (2 or more systems within) homes "for compensation"...and one chooses to do it for free, along with the purchase of a bar of soap....is he a soap salesman or a home inspector, by law?



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Old 2/13/07, 9:56 AM
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James, how do you read this? (especially the bold)

SUBCHAPTER X
HOME INSPECTORS
Cross Reference: See also chs. RL 131, 132, 133, 134, and 135, Wis. adm. code.

....
440.9712 Registration required. (1) Except as provided
in s. 440.9715, no individual may act as a home inspector, use the
title “home inspector”, use any title or description that implies that
he or she is a home inspector or represent himself or herself to be
a home inspector unless the individual is registered under this subchapter.

(1m) No business entity may provide home inspection services
unless each of the home inspectors employed by the business
entity is registered under this subchapter.
(2) No business entity may use, in connection with the name
or signature of the business entity, the title “home inspectors” to
describe the business entity’s services, unless each of the home
inspectors employed by the business entity is registered under this
subchapter.
History: 1997 a. 81.
440.9715 Applicability. A registration is not required under
this subchapter for any of the following:
(1) An individual who conducts a home inspection while lawfully
practicing within the scope of a license, permit or certificate
granted to that individual by a state governmental agency.
(2) An individual who constructs, repairs or maintains
improvements to residential real property, if the individual conducts
home inspections only as part of his or her business of
constructing, repairing or maintaining improvements to real property
and if the individual does not describe himself or herself as
a registered home inspector or convey the impression that he or
she is a registered home inspector.
(3) An individual who conducts home inspections in the normal
course of his or her employment as an employee of a federal,
state or local governmental agency.
History: 1997 a. 81.
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Old 2/13/07, 10:01 AM
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You're right, Mike. I guess the guy with the free home inspections will have to call himself a "home evaluator" or something on that order, like the guy in New Jersey does. Maybe a "Certified Home Systems Analyst" might even sound better.



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You're right, Mike. I guess the guy with the free home inspections will have to call himself a "home evaluator" or something on that order, like the guy in New Jersey does. Maybe a "Certified Home Systems Analyst" might even sound better.
He would still be implying the same thing and be required to be licensed/registered in WI. IMHO
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Old 2/13/07, 10:11 AM
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Consider a business like this, in a licensed state where one did not want to fall under the state's control....

A "Certified Home Systems Analyst" who will perform some ancillary service for a fee ($200) and will throw in, for free, a complete written analysis of the home systems, following the state required SOP.

Anything illegal with that?



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Old 2/13/07, 10:12 AM
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He would still be implying the same thing and be required to be licensed/registered in WI. IMHO
Perhaps. Perhaps not...



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