Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by prussell

I agree, if the consumers are asked to tighten our belts... and do so... I think we should be compensated as a reward.

Works both ways

Pete,
You are a legitimate Energy Auditor so I ask you.... in 2010.... if I have to spend $18,000.00 -$20,000.00 in order to bring my home up to the ever-changing EPA standards can you tell us how we should be "compensated" as a reward?

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Question: When will it stop, where does it end?

My son just had a "free" energy audit of his home. Much to his surprise... He was told that he needed $6,000.00 -$8,000.00 worth of so-called repairs.

• We all know that the codes are going to change year after year and become stricter and stricter.

So if my son spends $8, 000.00 to bring his house up to 2010 codes what is to say that if he decides to sell his house in 2012 his home is not going to meet the "new stricter 2012 codes" and will have to shell out thousands of dollars more?

Where is the guarantee? {2010 codes Vs. 2012 Codes}

Answer?
The codes are not going to stop changing, they are only going to get stricter and more difficult to achieve!

There is no guarantee that if you pay tens of thousands of dollars now {in 2010} that your house will "pass" next year!

WAKE UP AMERICA!
Call your Senator and tell him or her not to vote for this bill.
Go to www.congress.org to get contact information.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Question: When will it stop, where does it end?

My son just had a "free" energy audit of his home. Much to his surprise... He was told that he needed $6,000.00 -$8,000.00 worth of so-called repairs.

• We all know that the codes are going to change year after year and become stricter and stricter.

So if my son spends $8, 000.00 to bring his house up to 2010 codes what is to say that if he decides to sell his house in 2012 his home is not going to meet the "new stricter 2012 codes" and will have to shell out thousands of dollars more?

Where is the guarantee? {2010 codes Vs. 2012 Codes}

Answer?
The codes are not going to stop changing, they are only going to get stricter and more difficult to achieve!

There is no guarantee that if you pay tens of thousands of dollars now {in 2010} that your house will "pass" next year!

WAKE UP AMERICA!
Call your Senator and tell him or her not to vote for this bill.
Go to www.congress.org to get contact information.

Frank, codes, including energy codes are for new construction an pertain to the time period of when the house was built. No different that any other code.
Let's take arc fault protection as an example, when this code went into effect it included all homes being built in that time period and into the future.
Electricians are only required to upgrade to arc fault protection if a major renovation is be worked on.

As far as 20k worth of retrofit???? I have never seen one that high, why?? because in any retrofit you need to show an ROI that's why most retrofits fall into the 6-8k range, like your sons.

Also, understanding home performance and how we measure a home's performance would help you to understand that code has nothing do with it.
This technology of measurement and performance/weatherization has been around for 30 years, sort of like solar energy, but no one used it because they didn't feel the need for it.

[ldapkus]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Question: When will it stop, where does it end?

My son just had a "free" energy audit of his home. Much to his surprise... He was told that he needed $6,000.00 -$8,000.00 worth of so-called repairs.

• We all know that the codes are going to change year after year and become stricter and stricter.

So if my son spends $8, 000.00 to bring his house up to 2010 codes what is to say that if he decides to sell his house in 2012 his home is not going to meet the "new stricter 2012 codes" and will have to shell out thousands of dollars more?

Where is the guarantee? {2010 codes Vs. 2012 Codes}

Answer?
The codes are not going to stop changing, they are only going to get stricter and more difficult to achieve!

There is no guarantee that if you pay tens of thousands of dollars now {in 2010} that your house will "pass" next year!

WAKE UP AMERICA!
Call your Senator and tell him or her not to vote for this bill.
Go to www.congress.org to get contact information.

Frank, in 3 years when we elect a new president, these programs will go out the window. It just comes with a Democratic administration. Remember the energy crisis we had when gas was over $4 a gallon? It's not a crisis when it's under $3 a gallon.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Al Gore publically admits that he is a PARTNER in a firm that is going to make BILLIONS on the Cap & Trade bill!

Al Gore Making Billions On Cap & Trade
http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/video/al-gore-making-billions-on-cap


The real agenda behind the Global warming fraud exposed.
Financial Fraud and racketeering, {$20,000.00 million dollars in so-called grants received.} suppression and omission of scientific data revealed.

Monckton on the Globalists
http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/video/monckton-on-the-globalists

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/video/monckton-on-the-globalists-pt2

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

CAP & TAX BILL!

This breaking news is UNBELIEVABLE!


So…. According to our new Socialist Administration…. We are “running out of oil” in the United States so we must find alternative sources of energy!



Hence the Cap & Tax bill!

• How about drilling for oil off of our own coasts? To easy a solution? Obama and his cronies Pelosi & Reid say NO to drilling offshore….
• Or do they?

Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Too bad it's not in U.S. waters.

You read that headline correctly.

Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro.

Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.

The U.S. Export-Import Bank tells us it has issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion and has discussed with Brazil the possibility of increasing that amount. Ex-Im Bank says it has not decided whether the money will come in the form of a direct loan or loan guarantees.




Either way, this corporate foreign aid may strike some readers as odd, given that the U.S. Treasury seems desperate for cash and Petrobras is one of the largest corporations in the Americas.

• But look on the bright side.
• If President Obama has embraced offshore drilling in Brazil, why not in the old U.S.A.?

The land of the sorta free and the home of the heavily indebted has enormous offshore oil deposits, and last year ahead of the November elections, with gasoline at $4 a gallon, Congress let a ban on offshore drilling expire.

The Bush Administration's five-year plan (2007-2012) to open the outer continental shelf to oil exploration included new lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico.




But in 2007 environmentalists went to court to block drilling in Alaska and in April a federal court ruled in their favor.

• In May, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said his department was unsure whether that ruling applied only to Alaska or all offshore drilling.

So it asked an appeals court for clarification. Late last month the court said the earlier decision applied only to Alaska, opening the way for the sale of leases in the Gulf. Mr. Salazar now says the sales will go forward on August 19.




This is progress, however slow. But it still doesn't allow the U.S. to explore in Alaska or along the East and West Coasts, which could be our equivalent of the Tupi oil fields, which are set to make Brazil a leading oil exporter.

• Americans are right to wonder why
• Mr. Obama is underwriting in Brazil what he won't allow at home.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

WAKE UP AMERICA!
Call your Senator and tell him or her not to vote for this bill.
Go to www.congress.org to get contact information.

[James H. Bushart]

Not only do I support this bill....but I support the individual state bills that are in various stages of passing, including my own state, that are designed to do the same thing.

There are hundreds if not thousands of undiscovered industries to be developed in the search for energy and efficiency. Our country will either lead the way and sell it to the world....or buy it from others as we presently do our oil.

In every jurisdiction that presently uses the International Building Code or International Residency Code, there is a requirement that a house be inspected and be brought to code prior to issuing an occupancy permit for the owner to sell it to someone else. This concept is not new, by any means. It simply adds energy efficiency to all of the other code requirements.

Even in its present form, this law requires before selling a house that fails to meet energy standards, that people be hired and money pumped into OUR OWN economy to have the house brought to where it should be, making it use less fuel that we buy from other countries.

It's time to retire the horse and buggy of fossil fuels...and our dependency on it...and lead the deveoplment of twenty first century technology.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Not only do I support this bill....but I support the individual state bills that are in various stages of passing, including my own state, that are designed to do the same thing.

There are hundreds if not thousands of undiscovered industries to be developed in the search for energy and efficiency. Our country will either lead the way and sell it to the world....or buy it from others as we presently do our oil.

In every jurisdiction that presently uses the International Building Code or International Residency Code, there is a requirement that a house be inspected and be brought to code prior to issuing an occupancy permit for the owner to sell it to someone else. This concept is not new, by any means. It simply adds energy efficiency to all of the other code requirements.

Even in its present form, this law requires before selling a house that fails to meet energy standards, that people be hired and money pumped into OUR OWN economy to have the house brought to where it should be, making it use less fuel that we buy from other countries.

It's time to retire the horse and buggy of fossil fuels...and our dependency on it...and lead the deveoplment of twenty first century technology.

Home licensing part of HR2454 pulled.

See this video starting at 54 seconds in.

This is sure to be a blow to those who would control us and tell us how to spend our resources.

I guess we will just have to rely on ourselves to make decisions in our own best interest.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Home licensing part of HR2454 pulled.

See this video starting at 54 seconds in.

This is sure to be a blow to those who would control us and tell us how to spend our resources.

I guess we will just have to rely on ourselves to make decisions in our own best interest.

Hopefully, the individual state bills will correct that error.

Right now, it's somewhat amusing to listen to our local conservative land owners brag of no codes and how there is no government going to tell them what to do with their septic systems that are pouring effluent into the Ozark lakes....then watching conservatives from other parts of the country come down here in the summer and splash, swim, gargle and spit the water as they enjoy their outdoor vacations. You just gotta laugh.....

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Hopefully, the individual state bills will correct that error.

Not looking good for your plan. Thinking people get it.

Utah Legislature: House formally questions global warming
By Bob Bernick Jr.
Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, Feb. 9, 2010 9:19 p.m. MST

SALT LAKE CITY — With most Democrats voting no, the Utah House approved a resolution Tuesday that questions global warming while asking the federal government not to proceed with "cap-and-trade" legislation or CO2 regulation.

Sponsor Rep. Kerry Gibson, R-Ogden, a dairy farmer, agreed to have his HJR12 amended to take out some inflammatory wording, like calling global warming and those who advocate it guilty of "tricks," and a "conspiracy" and "flawed" research.

Gibson said some argue that if the Environmental Protection Agency goes forward with cap and trade on CO2, it could lead to a "cow tax."

Then cows like his own could be measured for "belches" and other gases they produce, which in turn could lead to a head tax that would increase the cost of milk and meat to consumers.

"I believe in global warming," Gibson said. "I believe in global cooling, in (weather) cycles. We've had an ice age, extreme heat," but can humans, "in our everyday lives," change the environment around us?

Instead, through inaccurate data and a general type of hysteria, the public has been pushed to make improper judgments, he said. And adopting CO2 cap and trade would be a diabolical mistake. Such action is really "an energy tax" that will harm all Americans, harm jobs in this country and likely have little or no effect on global warming.

[James H. Bushart]

Keep googling your little heart out, Mike. The world will continue to advance in spite of you.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Keep googling your little heart out, Mike. The world will continue to advance in spite of you.

I never figured you for a global warming activist.

I must say, I am very surprised that you are that easily hoodwinked.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I never figured you for a global warming activist.

I must say, I am very surprised that you are that easily hoodwinked.

Why must you "label" people who disagree with you into these categories? Must you do everything that Uncle Rush does? Does he not allow independent thought among his groupies?

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Why must you "label" people who disagree with you into these categories? Must you do everything that Uncle Rush does? Does he not allow independent thought among his groupies?

It's what I believe Jim.

When you stare the evidence in the face and proclaim it false, what else is there?

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

THE CAP & TAX BILL IS JUST WHAT WE NEED!

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