First Fundamentals Course Available In Washington State

[Steven L. Smith]

Nick,

The four instructors, we try hard to offer a quality product.

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by jbushart

It's only to protect the consumer....it's only to protect the consumer.....it's only to protect the consumer....it's only to protect the consumer....(and to discourage newbies from entering the field and competing against those who pushed for this bill)....it's only to protect the consumer.....it's only to protect the consumer.....it's only to protect the consumer.... (because they were successfully challenged with their scam of requiring SPI licenses to become home inspectors and when people caught on to that scam, they needed something new to raise the expense of becoming a home inspector).....it's only to protect the consumer.....it's only to protect the consumer.....it's only to protect the consumer....it's only to protect the consumer....

JAMES

You are so negative! Of course it's only to protect the consumer. Every one pays the same for an inspection, thus protecting those who paid a high price from being embarassed when their neighbor "brags" about the "better deal" he got!

Somewhat like airline fares, when you pay full price, and then discover that the guy next to you got a half off fare because he took the time to "shop around". Now, your self esteme is ruined, you feel like a fool, and your "feelings" are hurt. We can't have that!! All should suffer equally by paying the same price.

So, YES, it is to protect the consumer, from his own stupidity and "level" the playing field for those providing the service. It's a WIN,WIN!! The consumer is "protected" from being considered a sucker, and the inspector is protected from "unfair" competition!

[James R. Szczesny]

Steve,
I dont know but are you sure there's no conflick of interest youbeing on the inspection board and being coridinator of the only school getting approved to give this course at a Krazy price. maybe not. Sure does seem like a good way to wipe out a lot of inspectors... maybe i am wrong.

[Steven L. Smith]

James S,

The law states that one board member must be someone working in the field of home inspector education. That is me this time around. I am adjunct faculty at BTC which is a community college. We do, maybe, two or three classes a year at this time. In real life I am a home inspector. As I work on class material, at home not being paid to do so, I can tell you that the money involved is not the incentive. I make way more as an inspector for sure. I am involved in the education because I got into it, part-time, about five years ago and I enjoy the process. It is still very part-time.

BTC is the only approved school because so far no other schools have put together courses or applied. Any school, or even a private party, who wants to put together a 120 hour course, may apply. And, if they get all materials in order to meet the education guidelines, they should be approved as well. BTC sure has no monopoly on it. We were just the first to get in an application since we had much of the course already designed based on it having been in existence for 15 years.

[dhelm]

I am also an instructor in this course. If I had to depend on the small income I make from teaching in it, I would be starving. As Steve said, it is very part time. The four instructors are all working home inspectors who care very much about the quality of home inspection. Three are Internachi members and one is an Ashi member. I took this course myself a number of years ago, as did Steve and Charlie. We each have our areas of knowledge and expertise that we teach. It is a good mix and as good a course as can be found anywhere.

[hspeakman]

I am thrilled that WA recognizing classes on Home Inspections. My main concern is that WA State Home Inspectors are being tested by the NHIE (National Home Inspection Exam). While you are teaching don't let those graduate home inspectors get discourage when they take the NHIE exam only to find out like I found out that this exam requires a genius to pass it! My hat is off to you instructors. I believe that Nick is getting this somewhat Home Inspector classes recognized nationwide.

[Steven C. Meyer]

[QUOTE=gromicko;511259]Judging from what students have said about it... it is an excellent course.[/QUOTI


I am NOT questioning the quality of the course, There is always more one can learn from others. I am very pro education.

Again, just what is the COST of the 120 hour course? To me it is a cost/benefit expense.

My son is going to Lake Washington Tec. College. in computer science. I know what the cost is per quarter and what will be my total cost for his education. On a cost/benefit, money well spent.

120 hours equates to one full time quarter, therefore if I compare that to what I am currently paying per quarter at LWTC, do I have the right answer???

If you can'r or won't post the cost, then I smell a rat. We all should know, if considering this class, what the cost of this class is. When I went to college, (in the last century) I knew what my cost would be at each college I applied to, so didn't waste my, nor their, time applying to colleges that I could not afford.

So, fess up!!! WHAT'S THE COST?????

[Steven C. Meyer]

[QUOTE=gromicko;511222]These quotes directly from ASHI's Code of Ethics:
But ASHI can have a financial interest in recommending a school?

But ASHI can collect indirect compensation from a school that wants to be their preferred provider?

But ASHI can accept compensation for recommending a school?

But ASHI can express opinions based on secret gratuity?

ASHI authoring a Code of Ethics is like Bernie Madoff authoring investor protection legislation.[/QUOT

I just might trust Bernie more, especially if was the first one in!! They, at lesst, got a good return on the money, before the house of cards came down. ASHI was a losing propsition form the get go!!

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by hspeakman

I am thrilled that WA recognizing classes on Home Inspections. My main concern is that WA State Home Inspectors are being tested by the NHIE (National Home Inspection Exam). While you are teaching don't let those graduate home inspectors get discourage when they take the NHIE exam only to find out like I found out that this exam requires a genius to pass it! My hat is off to you instructors. I believe that Nick is getting this somewhat Home Inspector classes recognized nationwide.

No offense, but HHIE takes a genius to pass??!! If that were the case, ASHI would have no members!! Molly probably took that test (along with another unmentioned test), and with her credit card. passed with flying colors. (not sure, but think she is still licensed and doing inspections)

If the course is propely taught, (and not just to pass the NHIE test), but a REAL eductional experience, then no one should have a problem passing the test.

The proof will be in, just how many who take this course, will pass or fail the NHIE. That will be the REAL benchmark, as to the quality and success of this endevor.

In the public school system, lack of success of the student is because he/she is a poor student, (according to the national teachers union). Reality check!! There are as many poor teachers, as poor students. If the teacher can't convey to the student a desire to learn, it's all a waste of time. This applies to this course.

I will "reserve" judgement until the stats. are in!!

[kpierce]

Originally Posted by smeyer

I am NOT questioning the quality of the course, There is always more one can learn from others. I am very pro education.

Again, just what is the COST of the 120 hour course? To me it is a cost/benefit expense.

My son is going to Lake Washington Tec. College. in computer science. I know what the cost is per quarter and what will be my total cost for his education. On a cost/benefit, money well spent.

120 hours equates to one full time quarter, therefore if I compare that to what I am currently paying per quarter at LWTC, do I have the right answer???

If you can'r or won't post the cost, then I smell a rat. We all should know, if considering this class, what the cost of this class is. When I went to college, (in the last century) I knew what my cost would be at each college I applied to, so didn't waste my, nor their, time applying to colleges that I could not afford.

So, fess up!!! WHAT'S THE COST?????

Steven, just click on the damn link before you rant. It says $3500.
http://www.btc.ctc.edu/DegreesCertif...asp?Program=63

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by kpierce

Steven, just click on the damn link before you rant. It says $3500.
http://www.btc.ctc.edu/DegreesCertif...asp?Program=63

I tried, my antique computer would not respond.

Thanks for the info!!

Your prior post had it at 4,500. Just wanted to confirm the the price, before I commented on the outragious price.

CHEERS

[Steven C. Meyer]

[QUOTE=kpierce;511576]Steven, just click on the damn link before you rant. It says $3500.
http://www.btc.ctc.edu/DegreesCertif...asp?Program=63[/QUOT

PS: I will rant about that cost later!!!

PSS: are you going to take the course???

[Steven L. Smith]

Just for the record, the class is three weeks. The fourth week is field training. The student who completes the 120 hours, and the final week, is prepared to take the two state tests. In other words, the fee includes the 120 hours plus the field training. Regarding what Steven said, we will hope that the students in a specialty class like this would be more motivated to learn and work than your average public school student who would rather be playing a video game. Those who have taken the class over the past 15 years have good things to say about it. The student evaluations of coursework and instructors have always been high.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by Steven C. Meyer

No offense, but HHIE takes a genius to pass??!! !!

Steven if you are having trouble finding the cost of the WA HI training program, then you will definetly have even more trouble passing the NHIE.

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Steven if you are having trouble finding the cost of the WA HI training program, then you will definetly have even more trouble passing the NHIE.

Well, Mr. Genius, know it all.

Passing that, and that "non proctered" on line test (yes, that one you are so critical of)was no problem.

AND I did so with out the benefit of a $3,500 course!

Know you think highly of your self as a "professional", however Home inspection is NOT rocket science.

I will, however, freely admit that my computer "skills" are right around zero.

Now, grab that ray o vac flash light and go out and make one of those "steller" inspection you brag about.

I guess I am not as smart as you, which is probably good, I prefer a higher bar.