First Fundamentals Course Available In Washington State

[Steven L. Smith]

Robert,

I know that some inspectors are interested in having Nachi training put in the mix for continuing ed. I know a fellow down near Oregon who wants to get speakers and get that going. Again there are certain guidelines but it seems doable. The fundamentals course is more demanding and tedious to put in place, by far, than continuing ed credits.

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by ssmith

Kevin,

I would certainly not say there will not be other classes. It is hard to put a class together, but the law is written so anyone can do it with elbow grease. There just has to be a desire and, since the real estate market is down and there are fewer inspectors, the question is who will step up to the plate and do it -- maybe someone nobody every thought of. I do not know. It would be good to have more classes.

I do know, from having worked an existing program, that meeting all of the state fundamentals guidelines takes effort. Every single part of the class must be given to the state --every test, every power point, every text book. And, they actually go over every bit of it. I think I sent something in the neighborhood of 60 hours of power points and, based on the things they have asked me to tweak, I think they looked at every single thing...really.

So I do not want to be quoted as saying nobody else will do it. Maybe somebody will, we hope so. Many schools could, the question is whether or not they will. The door is open to any school, public or private, if they will do the necessary work.

You state, "They (the state) go over every bit of it"

What a bunch of horse puckey!!

They read that just about as much as our federal congress people read the federal budget, before voting on it.

And, you are making a false assumption that they know how to read, or even have the ability to comprehend what they are reading!! Unless they have any comprehension of the inspection business, how can they pass judgement on the value of vslidity of the course?

Just relateing my experience with the typcal "cvil serveless"

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

INACH floods in more newbies than all the HI Schools combined.

I SAY,OPEN UP THME FLOOD GATES, ARIZONA FIRST!! LET THAT FRESH, CLEAR, NEW WATER (inspectors) FLOW. A GOOD cleansing IS IN ORDER!

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Death and taxes are also inevitable.

Why wait?

He is waiting for his government "hall Pass"

He is a good little socialist, would never think of cutting in line.

[Steven C. Meyer]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

not my call, michael, above my pay grade.

how much would it take???

[cbuell]

Man, I sure wish I had the time to read through all of this. Of course I agree with all that David Helm and Steve Smith have said. As another one of the four teachers of this course I would also like to add that there is no course, no method of training, no inspector, no online course, no book that can adequately train a home inspector. That said BTC has a darn good track record of producing capable home inspectors that are capable of adding to what we teach them (on their own with continuing education) to become acceptable home inspectors by current standards. Until we start to see courses at least a year or two long with appropriate college level degrees attached, existing inspectors will continue to be "right" that training is inadequate. It still far exceeds anything that has been offered to date. It is a starting point. Some day we will be a profession. State licensing is just a starting point. In 20 years I suspect the field will look very different and people entering the field will be much better educated about the field than they are now. I have a really hard time understanding the seeming negative attitude toward everything "licensing" that Mr Bushart goes on and on about here at NACHI and elsewhere. To all those that have their panties all in a bunch about BTC being the only provider of education right now I say just go ahead and put together your own program wherever you want----you may find that is not so easy----especially when you find that not only will you not be paid to put it together, but the amount you will make will be substantially less than you will make teaching it. I think I can safely speak for all four of us that teach at BTC when I say that we do so because we LOVE to----there is NO money in it---period.

[Steven C. Meyer]

[QUOTE=sstanczyk;512107]Jim,

No sense in beating a dead horse. You can make all the arguments you want whether licensing is good or bad, or schools are good or bad. Moot points in this case. The law is in various stages of going into effect.

This years legislative session is done. There will be no more laws passed, no more changes made. And in the long run it wouldn't matter. In all the hearings held, there was no outright opposition to licensing. Sure there were portions of the law that were argued and debated ad nauseum but nobody spoke fully against licensing.

Brick and mortar schools will be hard pressed to open up new facilities and with state budget cutbacks, it is highly unlikely any of the existing voc techs or community colleges that receive state funding, will start a new program with such a small potential for growth. It just won't pay for itself.

It just so happens that Bellingham Technical College had a program already in existence for Home Inspection. It just had to make some additions and changes to meet the new requirements. For those that took the ITA classes in this state, I suggest you contact ITA and see if they can offer a 1 time, 1 week course that will fill in the blanks for all the items missed. They may consider it, they may not. But to limit your activity about this, to b1tching and complaining on this message board, will do nothing.

No sense in making picayune arguments about the school or instructors or the law. I didn't see any of those b1tching on this forum at any of the hearings. I haven't seen any of them at the last 4 or 5 Board meetings. There is nothing that is going to happen now or in the future that will void, cancel, overrule, or supercede this law. Not gonna happen. Finis.

So those that don't want to drive to Bellingham for their training, good luck. You have until July 1, 2010 to keep performing home inspections. After that you will need to find a new profession.
Best to all

WHERE IS YOUR COMPASSION!!!! Typical Liberial, lets tax your cigaretts (for the children), but a tax on my latte, hell no!!

What about the inspector, whose truck can barely make it to his next inspection, let alone all the way to Bellingham?

Government intervention is a MUST!! The Obama stimulas package should fund the school cost for those in need of job training (it a job stimulas, and is a hell a lot cheaper than saving an auto worker job).

The state and local charities should chip in. Free bus passes to Bellinghan, and Share Wheel could provide a tent city!

And when you drag your fat a** out of the Marriot, you could even help serve the soup at tent city.

For those of you who are forced into a new profession, PLEASE. do not ask me if I want frys with that order!!!

[Steven L. Smith]

Steven,

True the state DOL does not know all the inspection stuff, but it has to be approved by the state DOL -- who checks for all elements -- then a board member has to approve it. Which board member it is is not disclosed, but whoever it was did a hell of a job. That person, I repeat, looked at every single power point slide and read every test question.

Are you an inspector working in this state. I really cannot gather what your role is in this. Are you a working inspector and would this training law impact you.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by cbuell

Man, I sure wish I had the time to read through all of this. Of course I agree with all that David Helm and Steve Smith have said. As another one of the four teachers of this course I would also like to add that there is no course, no method of training, no inspector, no online course, no book that can adequately train a home inspector. That said BTC has a darn good track record of producing capable home inspectors that are capable of adding to what we teach them (on their own with continuing education) to become acceptable home inspectors by current standards. Until we start to see courses at least a year or two long with appropriate college level degrees attached, existing inspectors will continue to be "right" that training is inadequate. It still far exceeds anything that has been offered to date. It is a starting point. Some day we will be a profession. State licensing is just a starting point. In 20 years I suspect the field will look very different and people entering the field will be much better educated about the field than they are now. I have a really hard time understanding the seeming negative attitude toward everything "licensing" that Mr Bushart goes on and on about here at NACHI and elsewhere. To all those that have their panties all in a bunch about BTC being the only provider of education right now I say just go ahead and put together your own program wherever you want----you may find that is not so easy----especially when you find that not only will you not be paid to put it together, but the amount you will make will be substantially less than you will make teaching it. I think I can safely speak for all four of us that teach at BTC when I say that we do so because we LOVE to----there is NO money in it---period.

Let me see if I understand your post.....

You start by saying that you lack the time to read the entire thread, yet you agree with your fellow instructors. What an interesting remark for someone...especially an educator...to make. In other words, you are able to draw a conclusion without observing all of the facts. Is this something you instruct others to do in your course?

You follow up on this interesting confession with the observation that there is "no course, etc" that can adequately train a home inspector, yet you are willing to take tuition from would-be home inspectors who come to you for training.

Then...you end your observation that providing people who pay you to provide them with less than they need to be "adequate" is something you love to do.

And those who learn from you...as inadequate as you claim your training to be....will be presenting themselves to consumers in your state as "licensed" professionals.

You guys were much better off lying to newbies about their being required to get SPI licenses to inspect homes, IMO. While it was complete nonsense, it was still more believable than anything your licensing board has come up with.

[Robert J. Wind]

Originally Posted by ssmith

Robert,

I know that some inspectors are interested in having Nachi training put in the mix for continuing ed. I know a fellow down near Oregon who wants to get speakers and get that going. Again there are certain guidelines but it seems doable. The fundamentals course is more demanding and tedious to put in place, by far, than continuing ed credits.

I was talking about an HI course not continuing ed credits but, that will work as well. All i have to do is test, nothing more. I have been inspecting for many years as well,and i have been training people as well on systems. The schools that was approved may see a drop in numbers due to the cost of training and all fees. I wish the best to the new guy's and gals.

[Robert J. Wind]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Jim,

No sense in beating a dead horse. You can make all the arguments you want whether licensing is good or bad, or schools are good or bad. Moot points in this case. The law is in various stages of going into effect.

This years legislative session is done. There will be no more laws passed, no more changes made. And in the long run it wouldn't matter. In all the hearings held, there was no outright opposition to licensing. Sure there were portions of the law that were argued and debated ad nauseum but nobody spoke fully against licensing.

Brick and mortar schools will be hard pressed to open up new facilities and with state budget cutbacks, it is highly unlikely any of the existing voc techs or community colleges that receive state funding, will start a new program with such a small potential for growth. It just won't pay for itself.

It just so happens that Bellingham Technical College had a program already in existence for Home Inspection. It just had to make some additions and changes to meet the new requirements. For those that took the ITA classes in this state, I suggest you contact ITA and see if they can offer a 1 time, 1 week course that will fill in the blanks for all the items missed. They may consider it, they may not. But to limit your activity about this, to b1tching and complaining on this message board, will do nothing.

No sense in making picayune arguments about the school or instructors or the law. I didn't see any of those b1tching on this forum at any of the hearings. I haven't seen any of them at the last 4 or 5 Board meetings. There is nothing that is going to happen now or in the future that will void, cancel, overrule, or supercede this law. Not gonna happen. Finis.

So those that don't want to drive to Bellingham for their training, good luck. You have until July 1, 2010 to keep performing home inspections. After that you will need to find a new profession.

Best to all.

Not ********, just want to make sure that the board members have to show they have meet all requirments, other then that i really don;t care. I could not attend meetings due to the work load. I justed asked a few questions and thats all.

Have a good day

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I'm reminded by your statement of the newsreels from the '30s and '40s as you see one Nazi with a gun methodically shooting Jewish men in the back of the head as they line the open grave, waiting their turn.

Godwin's Law

Or James has jumped the shark

[cbuell]

Well Mr Bushart sure ripped me a new one Guess there is no more point in me entertaining myself with any notions of making sense here. I would just say that if you are going to read between the lines at least read what is there.

[Steven L. Smith]

Robert,

There are no exceptions for the board, other than one could not get on the board unless one had enough experience to be in the experienced inspector category. Basically, all of us who are experienced but want to get licensed -- board too -- have to pass the tests prior to Sept 1. If we do not, then we have to do all the education and field training too. That is the AG opinion, not a board decision. So keep that in mind, I certainly am.

[jvogan]

Originally Posted by jszczesny

Steve,
I dont know but are you sure there's no conflick of interest youbeing on the inspection board and being coridinator of the only school getting approved to give this course at a Krazy price. maybe not. Sure does seem like a good way to wipe out a lot of inspectors... maybe i am wrong.

Can you say "BINGO"!!!