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Old 12/27/06, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: Florida Licensing and the Old End-Around Play

Florida Licenses that currently don’t require their holder to piss in a cup:

Professional Licenses
  • Architects and Interior Designers
  • Asbestos Consultants
  • Athlete Agents
  • Auctioneers
  • Acupuncture
  • Athletic Training
  • Audiology
  • Barbers
  • Boxing
  • Building Code Administrators and Inspectors
  • Certified Nursing Assistants
  • Certified Public Accountants
  • Chiropractic Medicine
  • Clinic Registration
  • Clinical Laboratory Personnel
  • Clinical Social Work
  • Community Association Managers
  • Construction Industry Contractors
  • Cosmetologists
  • Dental Hygiene
  • Dentistry
  • Dietetics
  • Electrical Contractors
  • Electrolysis
  • Employee Leasing Companies
  • Funeral Directors and Embalmers
  • Geologists
  • Harbor Pilots
  • Hearing Aid Specialists
  • Landscape Architects
  • Marriage and Family Therapy
  • Medical Physicists
  • Medicine
  • Mental Health Counseling
  • Midwifery (Licensed)
  • Nursing
  • Nursing Home Administrators
  • Nutrition
  • Orthotists
  • Osteopathic Medicine
  • Pharmacy
  • Physical Therapy
  • Physician Assistants
  • Podiatric Medicine
  • Prosthetists
  • Psychology
  • Real Estate
  • Respiratory Care
  • School Psychology
  • Speech Language
  • Surveyors and Mappers
  • Talent Agents
  • Veterinarians
  • Investment Advisors
  • Broker / Dealers
Business Licenses and Permits
  • Agriculture and Consumer Services
  • Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco
  • Building Permits
  • Child Care Centers
  • Collection Agencies
  • Consumer Finance Companies
  • Electric and Natural Gas
  • Health Facilities Licensure
  • Health Related Business Permits
  • Hotels
  • Land Sales, Condominiums and Mobile Homes
  • Mortgage Brokering and Lending
  • Motor Vehicle Dealer License
  • Notary Public
  • Pari-Mutuel Wagering
  • Restaurants
  • Retail Installment Sellers and Sales Finance
  • Telecommunications
  • Waste and Wastewater
  • Financial Institutions
  • Securities Offerings
The best of all of course is the Florida "Concealed Weapon or Firearm License" (CWL), no piss test is required for this license either. The state of Florida grants a license to carry loaded firearms in public without drug screening, who would have thunk?

As far as I can tell there are only a few classes of folks who must subject themselves to the degradation of drug testing and home inspectors are not in their class.
  • Employees
  • Felons
  • Parolees
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



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Old 12/27/06, 10:02 AM
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I submit the following for your consideration, dear Floridians....


What would you do if you were ASHI/FABI and wanted to push forth some very restrictive legislation...again...knowing that you would be inviting the successful interference of Florida's largest home inspection association...to kill your efforts? Would you put forth a target for them to collectively attack, or...

Would you pretend to form a "coalition" and then concoct a totally obnoxious bill requiring people to forfeit their civil right to privacy in order to work...while your "former" lobbiest put together the restrictive measures that you really favor? That way, those rejecting your "coalition" bill would actually choose the more restrictive bill as an alternative?

Jerry Peck thinks you are foolish enough to fall for it.

The "coalition" is betting that they can divide their opposition. Are they right, or will Florida's sensible inspectors band together to defeat both propositions?



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Old 12/27/06, 10:36 AM
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Joe

Pee test will not float and in short we probably do not have to even fight it -- whoever put that in needs a mental test. Beside it might put a lot of people out of work in a lot of professions if it ever became the rule of the day

What up sets me the most is my right to work without the government trying to "protect" the governed from me doing a good or bad job. The gov licenses everything under the sun now. Protection and quality can not be licensed.

Even licensed to carry does not say one can shoot and hit the side of a barn

As long as the bills are bad I think we should just keep our attack centered on those facts

Jim -- yes the whole thing could have been planned but I do not believe that the people behind the "door" are that smart.

Remember that a lot of the ASHI $$ are from HI's with less than 250 inspections. Why does that number keep coming up??

Now we need a good action plan at this time with time lines -- areas of responsibilities etc

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Old 12/28/06, 6:27 PM
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The real beauty of opposing licensing which everyone overlooks is; there is no need to agree. Those who are pro-licensing must make sure that everyone’s two-cents are included in, and in the end the bill is rendered an impassable POS.

On the other hand two people working on defeating the bill need not have anything in common; as a matter of fact they might be complete enemies with one another and still produce a similar synergistic effect of those who are held together by a close bond.

That is why on a spiritual level working to defeat legislation requires no mutual agreement or consensus, as a matter of fact NACHI & ASHI were perfect partners defeating last years bill with no agreement whatsoever. No one really cares why you want the bill defeated, only that you do, which is in perfect alignment with natural law and the physics of the universe. The fabric of the universe is chaos, the movement of all matter is from order to disorder and systems are constantly gaining in entropy. The understanding of these spiritual laws all work in perfect harmony with those of us who oppose the order of licensing legislation, and there is really nothing you can do to lessen its impact. Everyone is fully aware of how much energy is required to buck the trend of natural order, the minute everything is perfect it inexorably begins to come undone, those of us who oppose licensing use this principal and energy to our advantage.

In other words… rust never sleeps, and it is this natural propensity of things to progress from a state of order to disorder that provides the added energy to those of us who are working to undermine the contrived unnatural order of Florida home inspector licensing.



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Old 12/28/06, 6:47 PM
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Joe

I don't know what you are smoking but I want some.

Yes I agree that it is going to be easier to get all together to defeat poor regulation that it is to pass same.

I still stand by my thoughts that the gov can stay out of my shorts.

They know very little about our profession and then some "representative" of our industry is going to write a bill? Then a coalition is going to have us drug tested!

Yes -- these bills need to go down and down hard

Lets hope that they don't get change because right now they are a joke

I wonder where CMI Mike stands on these bills when it might cause some of his inspectors to be out of work

And Jay still has not gotten the names of the players posted yet

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