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[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Now at the current time ASHI has foriven the debt and a couple of years ago (less than 4 gave back the Trademark), and they are now a totally independent 3rd party neutral un-association biased organization.

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the time-line, we can now plainly see where & when the problem of the NHIE came into being. It was at the exact time when Mother-ASHI withdrew her tit that the EBPHI became a lobbying force for state sponsored home inspector legislation. The survival of the NHIE was predicated on people taking the exam, ASHI membership alone would never supply enough revenue for a stand alone organization like the EBPHI to survive and the only way that more people would be willing to part with $225 for a dubious test was by force of government through licensing legislation.

I believe a solid counter-measure to more frivolous state licensing legislation would to be to include in any future licensing bill the following two clauses.

1). The state should create & provide their own wholly-owned and independent licensing exam.
2). The state should create & provide their own wholly-owned and independent training & continuing education courses.

With these two clauses written into the licensing bill it might be possible to get a clean consumer oriented law whose focus is not to line the pockets of the exam peddlers or the educational racketeers with the hard earned money from home inspectors but to serve the consumer and the profession. Up to now home inspector licensing laws have solved nothing except to place a worthless time consuming and monetary burden on the back of the home inspectors & taxpayers.

By understanding who the enemy truly is and attacking the pirates who are attempting to get rich through licensing legislation the number of frivolous do nothing home inspector licensing bills being introduced throughout the nation should diminish and the time we spend attempting to defeat bad licensing legislation will be freed to do what we do best which is inspect homes and protect our clients best interest.

Thanks for the opportunity to share. JTB

[Nick Gromicko]

I could read Joe's posts all day. Dead on as usual.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I could read Joe's posts all day. Dead on as usual.

Thanks really goes to the NACHI message board stand on free speech, as my previous post would most likely be removed or edited on any other home inspection message board.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the time-line, we can now plainly see where & when the problem of the NHIE came into being. It was at the exact time when Mother-ASHI withdrew her tit that the EBPHI became a lobbying force for state sponsored home inspector legislation. The survival of the NHIE was predicated on people taking the exam, ASHI membership alone would never supply enough revenue for a stand alone organization like the EBPHI to survive and the only way that more people would be willing to part with $225 for a dubious test was by force of government through licensing legislation.

I believe a solid counter-measure to more frivolous state licensing legislation would to be to include in any future licensing bill the following two clauses.

1). The state should create & provide their own wholly-owned and independent licensing exam.
2). The state should create & provide their own wholly-owned and independent training & continuing education courses.

With these two clauses written into the licensing bill it might be possible to get a clean consumer oriented law whose focus is not to line the pockets of the exam peddlers or the educational racketeers with the hard earned money from home inspectors but to serve the consumer and the profession. Up to now home inspector licensing laws have solved nothing except to place a worthless time consuming and monetary burden on the back of the home inspectors & taxpayers.

By understanding who the enemy truly is and attacking the pirates who are attempting to get rich through licensing legislation the number of frivolous do nothing home inspector licensing bills being introduced throughout the nation should diminish and the time we spend attempting to defeat bad licensing legislation will be freed to do what we do best which is inspect homes and protect our clients best interest.

Thanks for the opportunity to share. JTB

Right on. You got it, Joe.

Nick could actually undo some of the harm he has brought forth to us in this part of the country by copying and hard mailing, with NACHI's endorsement, the above post (along with Dan's) to every legislator in Kansas. He already has the addresses.

[Nick Gromicko]

Need Joe's permission.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Need Joe's permission.

Joe?

[Jim Morrison]

You have my full and unrestricted permission, Nick. Please post anything you'd care to, without restraint.

Jim (and Jim, Joe, and Joe)

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Joe?

Whatever I can do to help, my post is free to use. It took a long time for me to understand what was really going on behind the scenes in regards to home inspector licensing. I got my first glimpse of the truth during an ASHI leadership training seminar where then ASHI lobbyist Janet Swandby exposed the farce of home inspector instituted licensing legislation, I have not been the same ever since and it was not long after that that her services were terminated.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Whatever I can do to help, my post is free to use. It took a long time for me to understand what was really going on behind the scenes in regards to home inspector licensing. I got my first glimpse of the truth during an ASHI leadership training seminar where then ASHI lobbyist Janet Swandby exposed the farce of home inspector instituted licensing legislation, I have not been the same ever since and it was not long after that that her services were terminated.

There you go, Nick.....

Beginning with Dan's timeline and ending with Joe's summation...you have the clearest and most profound condemnation of the NHIE ever composed.

No doubt, if Barnes gets his law returned to him and is allowed to continue his Board, his next step will be to pretend to agonize over his decision as to which entry test to use...before selecting the NHIE. Perhaps sharing, in advance, with the legislature this revealing chronology will motivate others to intervene.

[Scott Patterson]

Originally Posted by jburkeson1

Whatever I can do to help, my post is free to use. It took a long time for me to understand what was really going on behind the scenes in regards to home inspector licensing. I got my first glimpse of the truth during an ASHI leadership training seminar where then ASHI lobbyist Janet Swandby exposed the farce of home inspector instituted licensing legislation, I have not been the same ever since and it was not long after that that her services were terminated.

I was at the same meeting. It was not new news to everyone that had been around. The reason that the Swandby contract was not renewed was due to the cost of it. At $70,000 it was kind of expensive. Joe, as you most likely know ASHI still has their national lobbyist (Randy Pience) in Washington DC. Jannet was not a lobbyist for ASHI, her company provided ASHI with information about all of the legislation activities in every state in the nation.

Many ASHI chapters now contract with her independenty and pay for it on a state level. Frankly I never found her information to be very useful, it was always 3-6 weeks old by the time it got to ASHI. The local home inspectors are the ones that get the most up to date information. It is also the local chapters that either push or fight legislation. ASHI national does not get involved in the local politics. As long as you have been around you should know this.

[Joseph Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by Scott Patterson

ASHI national does not get involved in the local politics. As long as you have been around you should know this.

(My bold)

Scott,

Please quote me where I said that ASHI National "get(s) involved in the local politics" concerning licensing... I can't ever remember ever saying anything like that since I have been an ASHI member.

Regards - JTB

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Scott -

I think you're probably right on todays time line.

Many guys in my old ASHI Chapter (Midwest Pro-ASHI) remember when licensing 1st came up in Missouri, how a certain guy named Bob at ASHI hq always seemed to supply info on the Bill (who was doing what, etc) to the 2 Chapters promoting licensing (GP & STL) - BUT - to us fighting the Bill - various members in the chapter got emails or letters from Mr Bob telling them that since ASHI supported this Bill THEY could be in violation of ASHI ethics policies and possibly be dropped from ASHI.

On top of that all of a sudden Our whole Chapter got audited for MRC's and quite a lot of our guys supposedly did not have the required CE's and got put on ....... Some of our guys spent months sending copies to Mr Bob (only to have them lost on more than 1 occassion).

In desperation MANY of our Chapter approached me AND I personally sent the guys certificates or proof of MRC's by Fed Exp or Certified signature required to various people at hq to be sure they got through and our guys got reinstated. I could not have been happier when Bob K. got dropped.

It may have been the OLD days but thats the kind of thing that turned the stomachs of many of our inspectors and sent them elsewhere.

[James H. Bushart]

I hope that some of the facts that are being shared in this thread will help some to understand that the fight against the special interests attempting to gain at the expense of home inspectors in Kansas and Missouri has a long and complicated history.

Betrayal and deceit at every level and with every national association has played out with the battle over every bill.

If we can keep this bill from returning from the legislature...we can prevent further deceit and manipulation by the carpetbaggers (like those who profit from the NHIE)...and continue to keep our states free from unnecessary licensing laws that harm consumers, inspectors and the profession.

[Nick Gromicko]

Scott, thanks for clearing up these rumors. Another rumor we here is that ASHI has decided to quit catering to newbies. As you know, ASHI is mostly geared to the new inspector. Is there any truth to the rumor that ASHI will soon adopt its first entrance requirement (other than a valid credit card) and take down its no-requirements-whatsover online membership application http://www.homeinspector.org/join/ap...n/default.aspx ? I even heard that ASHI might finally require applicants to pass an exam.

[James H. Bushart]

Why, Nick, must you continuously create thread drift with your comparisons of your relatively smaller penis to ASHI's.

It's like comparing apples to oranges, anyway.

ASHI is an association that strictly serves home inspectors. Mere home inspectors. You have abandoned that market to invent one of your own, yet you continue to compare with delusions that your "less" is "more".

You started this thread on the topic of a campaign to kill a bad law in Kansas. Scott, as does ASHI in St. Louis, agrees that the law in Kansas was bad. Now that it has been sent back to the legislature....we ALL have the opportunity to do something good for the consumer, the home inspector and the profession...by helping the legislators learn how this law is bad for Kansas.

Let's stick to that, okay?