If You Are Against the Health Care Bill...

[James H. Bushart]

....here is a good reason to help get it passed.

[Nick Gromicko]

I don't think anyone is hell bent against providing the poor with health care. The problem is that there are many, like me, that see Obama growing the Federal government and hiring 55,000 new Federal employees during and economic recession and are appalled. And for me and those like me, we are against the government takeover of the health care industry simply because we're against the government takeover of anything.

The Federal government should decrease by 10% a year until it is left with not much more than NASA and national defense. The government is diminishing the quality of life of millions around the world simply be denying school choice. Had they just got out of the public education business... we'd be colonizing Mars by now. They are holding us all down.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I don't think anyone is hell bent against providing the poor with health care. The problem is that there are many, like me, that see Obama growing the Federal government and hiring 55,000 new Federal employees during and economic recession and are appalled. And for me and those like me, we are against the government takeover of the health care industry simply because we're against the government takeover of anything.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Joe Funderburk, CMI]

Who wants to fill out an application to get a doctor's appointment?

[George E. Russell]

Someone who couldn't see a doctor any other way would be my guess.
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[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

....here is a good reason to help get it passed.

Not that truth matters to you but it's simply wrong.

[James H. Bushart]

If I were against the bill, which I am not, I would support it for two reasons.

The first would be to see this a-hole leave the country and move to Costa Rica.

The second would be to see the look on his goofy face when he first realizes that Costa Rica provides its citizens with a cradle to grave health care system.

Then, as he scrambled for the helicopter....I would kick him in the face and laugh as he fell to the ground and the chopper took flight....waiving "Farewell" to him with just one finger......

[Nick Gromicko]

Well, Costa Rica, like the U.S. government, can't provide health care or anything else to anyone. Governments can only take resources from some (by force of gun), siphon off a big chunk for bureaucrats, then inefficiently give what portion of those resources are left to others, usually as a disincentive to produce.

Remember, governments have no money, they can only charge us for taking money from some and giving it to others.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Well, Costa Rica, like the U.S. government, can't provide health care or anything else to anyone. Governments can only take resources from some (by force of gun), siphon off a big chunk for bureaucrats, then inefficiently give what portion of those resources are left to others, usually as a disincentive to produce.

Remember, governments have no money, they can only charge us for taking money from some and giving it to others.

You and I are the Government Nick................

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Well, Costa Rica, like the U.S. government, can't provide health care or anything else to anyone. Governments can only take resources from some (by force of gun), siphon off a big chunk for bureaucrats, then inefficiently give what portion of those resources are left to others, usually as a disincentive to produce.

Remember, governments have no money, they can only charge us for taking money from some and giving it to others.

Governments exist with the permission of the governed.

I assure you that....aside from what might be reported on FOX News....it is not the will of the governed to bail out the nation's financial institutions while ignoring the medical needs of the populace.

The government employs (and provides health insurance) for more than half of the population, today. Reforming the industry so that more of those who are not employed by the government can afford it is consistent with meeting the needs of the citizens.

Those who are not insured are still running up unpaid medical bills that are being passed on to the next paying customer, anyway. Why do you think a single tablet of Tylenol costs $98.00 when administered in a hospital? Litigation liability might account for $15 of those dollars....the rest is recovery.

Have you ever seen your hospital bill before the insurance company pays....and then look at how they pay 60-70% of the charges, claiming that the remaining fees exceed what is "fair and reasonable"? Knowing that they are going to get 70% from the insurance company has much to do with why that Tylenol tablet costs $98.00, as well.

Somebody has to pull the plug on this beast....and start over.

We have a President who is willing to sacrifice his second term, if need be, in that endeavor. I think we made a great choice in 2008.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Governments exist with the permission of the governed.

And as you should know the "governed" are overwhelmingly opposed the plans that are being considered.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

And as you should know the "governed" are overwhelmingly opposed the plans that are being considered.

Those who obtain their news from more than one source disagree. Even if it were true, we live in a Republic....not a Democracy. This allows our leaders to act on behalf of the minority when their needs require attention. The government exists with their permission, too.

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Governments exist with the permission of the governed.

I assure you that....aside from what might be reported on FOX News....it is not the will of the governed to bail out the nation's financial institutions while ignoring the medical needs of the populace.

The government employs (and provides health insurance) for more than half of the population, today. Reforming the industry so that more of those who are not employed by the government can afford it is consistent with meeting the needs of the citizens.

Those who are not insured are still running up unpaid medical bills that are being passed on to the next paying customer, anyway. Why do you think a single tablet of Tylenol costs $98.00 when administered in a hospital? Litigation liability might account for $15 of those dollars....the rest is recovery.

Have you ever seen your hospital bill before the insurance company pays....and then look at how they pay 60-70% of the charges, claiming that the remaining fees exceed what is "fair and reasonable"? Knowing that they are going to get 70% from the insurance company has much to do with why that Tylenol tablet costs $98.00, as well.

Somebody has to pull the plug on this beast....and start over.

We have a President who is willing to sacrifice his second term, if need be, in that endeavor. I think we made a great choice in 2008.

If the health care bill is so grand, why is it that every politician refuses to drop there current government coverage for the proposed health care plan. The answer is simple, they know the medical care is minimal and they don't want to stand in line with the rest of us.

[Nick Gromicko]

I like parts of the plan. I like that my 20-year old son can stay on my insurance until 26. I like that I'm not stuck in Colorado forever because of a previous condition (double back surgery) I suffered last year. Currently, I can't leave my insurance company's coverage area.

But the government can do this with simple regulation tomorrow. Why should the government, notorious for poor management, need to take over anything. I'd sooner let InterNACHI take it over than the Federal government.

Pass some regulation:

• No denial for previous conditions
• Complete portability
• Children living with you get to stay on your policy

There, done.

If the government really thinks the insurance companies are making too much money... the government should let go of some bureaucrats and invest their salaries by buying stock in those insurance companies. Now there's an idea you won't hear anywhere else.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Those who obtain their news from more than one source disagree. Even if it were true, we live in a Republic....not a Democracy. This allows our leaders to act on behalf of the minority when their needs require attention. The government exists with their permission, too.

Don't just say it James.

Show me.

Aren't you from the "show me state" ?