NACHI enough?

[Tony Coelho]

Oh boy! Well Keenan and Tyler good luck to the beginning of a great exciting journey in Home Inspection. I'm taking it at Sheridan and the program has been great. Really learning alot and having fun. I also signed up for Nachitv and it makes a great supplement to what is covered in class, althought some things are different locally. I've done two online courses as well, the formats are really well structured and thought out. More interactive than I originally thought. In class is better naturally. The Carson Dunlop material is from the early part of this decade and the amount of knowledge is quite alot. Not recommended to take more than two modules at a time because of retention. Regardless of what avenue you take just make sure you keep learning as much as you can and become a great Home Inspector!! There are too many clowns out there giving our profession a bad name. Like so many trades and Professions I guess that is normal, there are good and bad everywhere. Good luck Internachi is great and enjoy!!

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

NICK:
INACHI (YOU) left many members hanging in British Columbia. They had to join other orgs or Cannachi so they could work there and some still are not!!

From a member's website in BC:

About me

Gone fishing

Unfortunately, I am not licensed to perform home inspections in BC and will not. When I am, I will advertise. Thank-you for looking me up though.

Anything can easily be said on these Boards......I find it very hard to believe that INACHI was "ASKED" to paticipate in BC licensing........ except by the members you abandoned!!! BTW, Cannachi was not approved by BC when the regulations first came into effect but only about a year later......someone dropped the ball on that one.

Cannachi had to be set up as INACHI "certification" was not "rigorous and defendable"

Got any paperwork on the alleged request from British Columbia?

Brian,

There in no such paperwork, it would have been posted by now!

I and many were disappointed when licensing became law in BC that iNACHI was nowhere to be seen.

They could have been it in Canada!

But one should concentrate on its goods rather than its failure.

CanNachi is not affiliated with iNACHI and only got recognized by BC after the facts.

Cheers,

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

When was this Mr.Bushart?
I am surprised that people could swallow such crap and be gullible to boot.
How can any bill be passed after hearing that sales pitch.
To provide a vehicle of depict( sales pitch ) and then sell it to inspectors who in turn pass it on to the new inspectors that will pass it on and on and on and on!!!!!!!.
This is regulation and licensing in the USA?

[Paul Pendley]

I think its only like $10.00 in CA...+ Vista print

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by ryoung7

How can any bill be passed after hearing that sales pitch.

It didn't.

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, we didn't abandon any member in BC and our members do better in BC now more than ever (licensing turns the inspection business into an all-out marketing race... and we all know who wins that race). BC is no different than any other licensed state in that joining InterNACHI doesn't get you a license in BC or any other licensed state. Never has, never will. We are not a government agency. A license is about 1% of what you need in licensed states/provinces and is provided by the GOVERNMENT, not InterNACHI. InterNACHI provides the other 99% of what you need. That is why our membership goes up in every state that adopts licensing.

Brian writes:

Got any paperwork on the alleged request from British Columbia?

Marcel writes:

Brian,

There in no such paperwork, it would have been posted by now!

Incorrect. Anyway, why would I post it? OK then, I'll post it (see below). I'm going to say it one more time: InterNACHI NEVER APPLIED TO BE AN AGENCY IN BC AND NEVER WILL. BC asked us (several times), we politely declined (we do our thing, governments do theirs). Furthermore, we don't want to compete with our sister association, CanNACHI (which did opt to apply and was approved). Here it is though:

Hi Nick – Attached is an application checklist to follow for consideration as an accreditation agency for British Columbia.

Let me know if you need any assistance in completing it.


http://www.consumerprotectionbc.ca/i..._checklist.pdf


Thanks very much.



TIMOTHY J. (TIM) MONAGHAN | MANAGER, LICENSING
Consumer Protection BC

P 604.320.1664, ext.2806 F 250.920.7181 TF 1.888.564.9963

A #307 – 3450 UPTOWN BLVD. VICTORIA, BC V8Z 0B9
M PO Box 9244 Victoria BC V8W 9J2
W www.consumerprotectionbc.ca

* As of May 17th our Victoria office will be located on Uptown Boulevard.
We ask for your patience around that time should we experience any technical difficulties with our website or phone system.

We never competed it. I don't recall even looking at it, and certainly didn't submit it. I did ask if I could submit it by email, but not because I was going to. I was simply interested in seeing if his government agency was keeping up with the times or if they still want everything printed on trees. Tom did say we could submit it electronically BTW. Anyway, our application was never denied because it doesn't exist.

CanNachi is not affiliated with iNACHI

Also incorrect. CanNACHI has numerous ties to InterNACHI.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, we didn't abandon any member in BC
(Ask those that had to join other organizations in order to keep working!! Go back and look at Post # 24)

and our members do better in BC now more than ever (licensing turns the inspection business into an all-out marketing race... and we all know who wins that race). BC is no different than any other licensed state in that joining InterNACHI doesn't get you a license in BC or any other licensed state. Never has, never will. We are not a government agency. A license is about 1% of what you need in licensed states/provinces and is provided by the GOVERNMENT, not InterNACHI. InterNACHI provides the other 99% of what you need. That is why our membership goes up in every state that adopts licensing.
MORE......SPIN! SPIN! SPIN!

I'm going to say it one more time: InterNACHI NEVER APPLIED TO BE AN AGENCY IN BC AND NEVER WILL. BC asked us (several times), we politely declined (we do our thing, governments do theirs). Furthermore, we don't want to compete with our sister association, CanNACHI (which did opt to apply and was approved). Here it is though:
"Hi Nick – Attached is an application checklist to follow for consideration as an accreditation agency for British Columbia."

SPIN it as you wish in order to save face but I do not see that line as CPBC asking you to operate in BC! Did you go to BC and meet with CPBC officials about INACHI becoming an HI credentialling organization?


We never competed it. I don't recall even looking at it, and certainly didn't submit it. I did ask if I could submit it by email, but not because I was going to. I was simply interested in seeing if his government agency was keeping up with the times or if they still want everything printed on trees.
(Oh Right!! Backwards Canada may not even have e-mail so I should ask. Your condescension does not look good for the head of such a large group.)
Tom did say we could submit it electronically BTW. Anyway, our application was never denied because it doesn't exist.........
because you knew you could not meet the requirements to become a credentialling org!!


"CanNachi is not affiliated with iNACHI"
Also incorrect. CanNACHI has numerous ties to InterNACHI.

Sounds like someone is trying to distance themselves from INACHI!!

[Nick Gromicko]

Did you go to BC and meet with CPBC officials about INACHI becoming an HI credentialling organization?

Nope. I never did myself. It will be a cold day in hell when I travel for a bureaucrat's blessing. No chance. It's the government's job to protect consumers by approving the best, most robust inspector education. That's what they get paid for. If a consumer gets hurt or killed by a home inspector who didn't have access to the world's best training because some bureaucrat steered the inspector toward weak courses... who is to blame?

We're already the world's largest inspection credentialing organization... and getting bigger every day. Besides, our sister organization CanNACHI is approved to verify licenses or whatever CPBC does up there with CanNACHI (I really don't know, but I think classroom courses are involved). We provide the rest: www.nachi.org/benefits.htm

And we already have more approved training than all other associations and schools combined, we now have nearly 600 government course approvals/accreditations... and climbing. We're never going to open a classroom school in BC. Recently, many state accreditations were awarded to us (correctly) without us even applying or paying a fee. I think all government officials who are charged with protecting consumers have a duty to do similarly, and approve InterNACHI's courses unilaterally.

Sounds like someone is trying to distance themselves from INACHI!!

Who? Anyway, there is no locked gate around InterNACHI. Whoever you are talking about need not "try." They can just leave.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Nope. Never did. We're already the world's largest inspection credentialing organization... and getting bigger every day.

Does INACHI actually "certify" HI's or simply certify that a person is a member of INACHI?

Where is INACHI "certification" accepted in HI regulated jurisdictions without further testing and/or training?

And we have more approved training than all other associations and schools combined, we now have nearly 600 government course approvals/accreditations... and climbing. There is nothing even close to InterNACHI.

When governments are essentially broke and you offer them something for free........they're going to accept it. But they don't require proctoring...pity! Folks can probably open a couple of browsers and get answers directly from a course to answer a test question....SAD!

Why are INACHI CEU's not accepted in NY without proctored testing?

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian asks:

Why are INACHI CEU's not accepted in NY without proctored testing?

InterNACHI's courses are accepted by New York in classroom settings and are used by many of the home inspection schools in New York. I announced another approval from New York last month: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/new-y...xtbooks-56048/

And BTW: New York used InterNACHI's unproctored exam for licensing until they developed their own.

[Nick Gromicko]

We publish most of the textbooks used by the schools in the inspection industry. And we produce a new (fully updated) one about every 10 weeks.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

InterNACHI's courses are accepted by New York in classroom settings and are used by many of the home inspection schools in New York. I announced another approval from New York last month: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/new-y...xtbooks-56048/

And BTW: New York used InterNACHI's unproctored exam for licensing until they developed their own. ? (BM- now why would that be?)

S&M answers, Nick....... but ..........you didn't answer the three questions I asked!

Does INACHI actually "certify" HI's or simply certify that a person is a member of INACHI?

Where is INACHI "certification" accepted in HI regulated jurisdictions without further testing and/or training?

Why are INACHI CEU's not accepted in NY without proctored testing?

And to repeat.........."Folks can probably open a couple of browsers and get answers directly from a course to answer a test question....SAD!"

Not rigorous and defendable training!!

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

S&M answers, Nick....... but ..........you didn't answer the three questions I asked!

Does INACHI actually "certify" HI's or simply certify that a person is a member of INACHI?

Where is INACHI "certification" accepted in HI regulated jurisdictions without further testing and/or training?

Why are INACHI CEU's not accepted in NY without proctored testing?

And to repeat.........."Folks can probably open a couple of browsers and get answers directly from a course to answer a test question....SAD!"

Not rigorous and defendable training!!

Brian MacN.
You are being your usual " *** of yourself" again Brian.
I still wonder why you are tolerated here and can only come up with one answer.
You manifest your ignorance and polish your attack every day.
You must be the fuc-ing biggest a-- hole I have ever had the chance to meet.
No joke ,you are a fool's, fool.
Honest to God this is no joke.
We had kids like you in school that had there *** kicked every day for having a mouth piece as yourself " look and talk down to others"
You think you are God decree to man,s need for questions answered.
Get out of the INACHI board and grow your self some balls you little bit of a man.
It is a wonder you have any friends and must be one miserable person.
I hate cumming to the INACHI message board becuse of some but you.
WOW WO WOWOW
Others have calmed down but you-%^^&*&^%$&*((
MAN GET A LIFE--FOR REAL MATE.

[Nick Gromicko]

Does INACHI actually "certify" HI's or simply certify that a person is a member of INACHI?

Where is INACHI "certification" accepted in HI regulated jurisdictions without further testing and/or training?

Why are INACHI CEU's not accepted in NY without proctored testing?

Answered in order asked:

Both. We don't certify reports or that a member is operating ethically (we only might know if they aren't, but not if they always are) or any other thing that is obviously impossible to certify.

Only a couple. But that has nothing to do with InterNACHI in particular, it is true for other associations as well. Except for grandfathering periods, states typically come up with their own requirements that almost never match InterNACHI's exactly. How could they, we have 50 different states in the U.S. and all of them have very different requirements (it's like having 50 different countries). And InterNACHI can't issue government licenses of course (but no association can). Furthermore, our requirements are more rigorous than mere minimum licensing requirements. States don't require further testing and training, they require different testing and training. Completing this minimum state-required testing doesn't get you a pass at InterNACHI, you still have to complete all of our membership requirements ON TOP of what the state requires. The reason we get our courses state-approved for CE is so that the member doesn't have to take the same course twice (once for us and once for the state). For purely practical and financial reasons, it makes no sense to be licensed without joining InterNACHI, if for nothing else, our courses are state-approved, online, and free... and if you have to take state-approved continuing education to keep your license, why travel, lose work, and pay tuition? This is one of the reasons our membership increases in states once they adopt licensing. We have over 600 government approvals: www.nachi.org/education.htm

Again, that has nothing to do with InterNACHI in particular. The state of New York doesn't use online training from any source. If it did (and it will soon), I assure you, InterNACHI's will be approved. There is no place in the U.S. that accepts online training that didn't approve InterNACHI's courses first. Furthermore, New York does approve our courses for classroom schools. New York also grandfathered every existing InterNACHI member the day licensing was adopted, without further testing or training, so they must have liked what they saw in our program www.nachi.org/membership.htm , and I agree with them. New York later created their own New York-specific exam that they administer for initial licensing. InterNACHI, being in 60 countries, develops international (without local lingo, practices or codes) quizzes and exams (hundreds) for our use.

[Gary Farnsworth]

Most new home inspectors do not understand why licensing is being pushed into law in most states. I will try.

Educational providers want to make money. So, they spend funds on lobbying lawmakers to pass laws that require educational classes/testing. They see this as a way to make money off of home inspectors, and states see it as income off of licensing fees. In example, here in Kansas you have to attend classes every three years to get termite certified. These classes teach people about termites and termite treatments. If you have been inspecting for termites for over 20 years, and know everything there is to know about termites, you still have to spend $200 every three years for the classes, and another $50 to the state for the license certificate. It is income for the state, and the educational providers. They teach the same thing over and over again, and make thousands of dollars.

Nick has educational requirements and tests, most of which are free to members. These courses must be approved in every state, or Nick is free to sue. Educational providers are trying all sorts of things in every state to get licensing, hence the differences in laws in most every state, all to get their income off of teaching classes, and they make the states "feel good" because they get income, too. Almost like payola.

Everyone must thank Nick for these CE's. If not, these other providers would be charging us thousands for each class. Part of our job as a home inspector is to keep people honest. We are the last of a dying breed.