InterNACHI sues home inspector coalition and its secretary today (Aug 1, 2008).

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Peter,
You are 100% correct. These people went out of their way to slander and belittle NACHI as an association, and to slander many of us individually.

They stood in the crowded hallways of BOTH the HOUSE and the SENATE and LOUDLY proclaimed that the NACHI On line test was passed by "Their Dog", and the founder of ASHI Northern New England Chapter said that his 9-year old daughter "without the slightest knowledge of construction" took and passed the test with a score of 100% !!!!

Yes.....but.....did they do this in Pennsylvania? So far, PHIC is the only one of the many phony "coalitions" that NACHI has acknowledged to exist.

While their success in PA has led ASHI, in several other states, to model similar "coalitions" after it claiming to be the only legitimate voice of home inspectors in the applicable state ---- they go unchallenged by any of the national associations.

Now, in New Hampshire and Kansas, their agendas have become law and are no longer "illegal".

I have slowly become convinced that iNACHI is impotent in all matters, at any level, that cannot be resolved by one of its many vendors --- outside of Pennsylvania.

When the phony ASHI "coalition" in Kansas successfully sodomized home inspectors in that state....NACHI (first) tried to put a positive spin on one of the worst bills ever passed, then (second) offered CEUs "you can take in your pajamas" as a positive response.

The truth, Frank and Paul, is that those of us in the trenches must win the battles and the war strictly on our own efforts. What is happening in PA (NACHI's birthplace) is unlikely to happen anywhere else.

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim, this isn't about licensing. Licensing harms all inspectors equally, not InterNACHI members specifically. No licensing board anywhere can pass any rule or regulation that isn't applied to all.

Frank, yelling something in a hallway probably isn't enough.

Again, if you don't have any hard evidence that someone slandered InterNACHI... there is not much I can do.

PHIC and their board members are a bit of a different situation as we have actual licensed real estate brokers who say that they witnessed inspectors telling their agents that InterNACHI was an "illegal association" and that our members were "not compliant" with PA law, in other words, criminals. I've been gathering evidence for some time. Furthermore we have evidence that members of certain national associations' local chapters met and conspired with other inspectors to harm InterNACHI members. We have actual witnesses who attended these meetings and are willing to testify under oath against everyone else in the room.

Let me know if you have any real evidence and we'll sue them too.

Jim, if your Molly guy in Kansas gets on the board, we'll sue him and his wife (he used his home address to commit the fraud) the next day, I promise. Truth will be his defense... he can bring Molly into the courtroom and prove that she can fulfill www.nachi.org/membership.htm

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Not about licensing Jim. Licensing harms all inspectors equally, not InterNACHI members specifically.

Again, if you don't have any hard evidence that someone slandered InterNACHI... there is not much I can do.

PHIC is a bit of a different situation as we have actual licensed real estate brokers who say that they witnessed inspectors telling their agents that InterNACHI was an "illegal association." Furthermore we have evidence that members of certain chapters met and conspired with other inspectors to harm InterNACHI members. We have actual witnesses willing to testify under oath to this.

Let me know if you have any real evidence and we'll file a suit.

Frank can provide you with eyewitnesses. Is that enough evidence?

[Nick Gromicko]

No. What are the damages from someone shouting in a hallway? A bit different than an inspector telling agents that we are non-compliant with the law or claiming to have a dog who can fulfill www.nachi.org/membership.htm

The Molly one is a slam dunk as the owner belongs to an association that has NO entrance requirements whatsoever: http://www.homeinspector.org/join/ap...n/default.aspx We've done what we can to keep him off the board: http://www.nachi.org/documents/mollygetssued.pdf but if he does succeed at getting on the board, we'll file a suit against him personally which will have the effect of all but eliminating any chance of anything InterNACHI-unfriendly being adopted by the board. It will also be good publicity to remind real estate agents that there still exists a few zero-requirement diploma mill associations out there.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

No. What are the damages from someone shouting in a hallway. A bit different than an inspector telling agents that we are non-compliant with the law or claiming to have a dog who can fulfill www.nachi.org/membership.htm

The President of the phony ASHI-led Kansas "coalition" claimed to have a dog named "Molly" who passed our test. You were provided evidencial sources, but did not sue. How come?

[Nick Gromicko]

I have the evidence. He is trying to get on the board. I'd rather sue a board member than some goofy, lying inspector in Kansas. Read: http://www.nachi.org/documents/mollygetssued.pdf I'll use the suit against the board member to remind all agents in Kansas that ASHI has no entrance requirements, and almost no meaningful full membership requirements compared to the other 2 national associations.

www.nachi.org/requirementcomparison.htm

Evidence of wrong doing isn't quite enough... we need to be able to prove damages like we've been able to do with PHIC.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I have the evidence. He is trying to get on the board. I'd rather sue a board member than some goofy, lying inspector in Kansas. Read: http://www.nachi.org/documents/mollygetssued.pdf I'll use the suit against the board member to remind all agents in Kansas that ASHI has no entrance requirements, and almost no meaningful full membership requirements compared to the other 2 national associations.

www.nachi.org/requirementcomparison.htm

Evidence of wrong doing isn't quite enough... we need to be able to prove damages like we've been able to do with PHIC.

So..... if the local ASHI Founder / former president;

1. Wrote the New Hampshire law HI law {SB-212)

2. Started a Phony "Independent Coalition" with all ASHI members on the BOD for the sole purpose of getting this law passed.

3. Had a "Independent Coalition" with a 99.99% ASHI membership.

4. PUBLICLY Stated that "A Dog passed the NACHI on line test"

5. PUBLICLY stated that his 9-year old daughter who knows NOTHING about construction passed the NACHI on line test.

6. Established a NACHI-NH, E-mail address to mislead our members.

7. PUBLICLY slandered NACHI as an association.

8. PUBLICLY slandered our members.

This same person wrote letters to the members of the House and wrote letters to our Senators slandering NACHI and it's members.
We have Eye Witnesses to these events.

One of our Senators even read one of these slanderous letters to our member Peter Russell.

And now this same person is trying to get on the Home Inspectors Licensing board!

Don't you think that any or all of the above is worth a lawsuit?

This person monitors this message board and I am sure that he and all of his cohorts are interested in what you have to say!


PS:
Nick,
I would rather you reply to my question via Private E-Mail.

[Nick Gromicko]

No. Your hearsay on a message board is not enough. Now if you had a transcript from the hearing, that would certainly be enough for me to sue him.

Would a member of ASHI, an association with a 30 second online come-with-a-credit-card-only application, an association that uses, for full membership, the same minimum standard licensing exam that many states use to license newbies, really publicly complain about www.nachi.org/membership.htm ?

Kind of like a person who passed his 4 hour Red Cross CPR exam complaing about a Medical Doctor's qualifications.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

No. Your hearsay on a message board is not enough. Now if you had a transcript from the hearing, that would certainly be enough for me to sue him.

Would a member of ASHI, an association with a 30 second online come-with-a-credit-card-only application, an association that uses, for full membership, the same minimum standard licensing exam that many states use to license newbies, really publicly complain about www.nachi.org/membership.htm ?

Kind of like a person who passed his 4 hour Red Cross CPR exam complaing about a Medical Doctor's qualifications.
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No. Your hearsay on a message board is not enough.
Sorry.... there is clearly a misunderstanding on your part!

"Hearsay" is where you are "repeating information that someone told you."
I am not repeating 1st, 2nd or 3rd hand information.

This slander took place in both the House and the Senate! I was there!

I am an Eye Witness to these events. There are more than half a dozen NACHI inspectors who witnessed these events.

Now if you had a transcript from the hearing, that would certainly be enough for me to sue him.
I know for a fact that on several occasions when I testified before the Senate that recordings were made. I will see if I can get copies!

Don't forget this slander has been taking place in both the House and the Senate on a REGULAR basis since 2003!

Would a member of ASHI, an association with a 30 second online come-with-a-credit-card-only application, an association that uses, for full membership, the same minimum standard licensing exam that many states use to license newbies, really publicly complain about www.nachi.org/membership.htm ?
Are you JOKING? ........This was a JOKE right?

Kind of like a person who passed his 4 hour Red Cross CPR exam complaing about a Medical Doctor's qualifications.

What if the person was DEMENTED, DELUSIONAL, and or had DELLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR?

What if they thought.... no change that...... What if they were CONVINCED that they knew more than the Doctor and they knew more than the CPR trainer even BEFORE they took the course?

On SEVERAL occasions .... In order to impress his fellow inspectors..... One of these clowns BRAGS and I mean actually BRAGS about being assigned to a Nuclear Submarine!

With a big smirk on his face and his arms folded across his chest he BRAGS.... "Can you Imagine the Steam Systems on this ship"?
No Home inspector will ever know what I know and ......no Home Inspector will EVER be able to inspect a home " As Good as I can"

And there we stood in disbelief!

Thinking .... what the hell do "Nuclear Steam Systems" have to do with
1. The Structural makeup of a home?
2. The Roofing system of a home?
3. The electrical system of a home?
4. The plumbing system of a home? {Nuclear steam systems.... hummmm}
5. The HVAC system of the home?
6. The wood, vinyl. or other siding of the home?
7. The septic system? {Nuclear steam systems...Hummmmm}
8. The Public water or dug well? {Nuclear steam systems.... hummmm}
9. The driveways, walkways, landscaping, retaining walls?
10.. The garage?

The list goes on and on..... But.... Don't forget..... since you have never served on a Nuclear Submarine and worked on their Steam Systems you will NEVER be as good as the CLOWN!

[Greg Bell]

I will never understand why an association uses funds to sue others. IMHO the one suing is no better than the ones being sued.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gbell

I will never understand why an association uses funds to sue others. IMHO the one suing is no better than the ones being sued.

You have to remenber that the association and INACHI TV are essentially "Nickey's Babies" and he calls most of the shots!! (although others may argue differently) I don't know of any other large association (there may be some) that does not have an elected executive (meaning democratic removal if necessary) and is essentially owned and controlled by one person.

Would be interesting to find out if there was an excutive meeting (even if only by phone) on this decision. And were there minutes kept of this meeting?

[George A. H. Luck]

"When will we be moving these "wheels" from PA into other states where these crimes are happening on an ongoing basis?"

These wheels are needed in Canada too. Funny, but if you remove the names and other identifying parts, this action could be and should be launched up here too.

Nick?

[Nick Gromicko]

Greg, if a fake coalition pops up in Florida and tells all the agents you work with that Greg Bell is a criminal, breaking the law, in violation of Florida home inspector regulations, and Greg Bell joined an illegal association (in PA, by law, you must be a member of a national association), and that the diploma mill, 30 second online application association they belong to has more strict membership requirements than InterNACHI's when that isn't true, and your agents then stop referring you... We'll sue to protect you too and we'll exploit the suits to remind all the agents in your area that they have a fiduciary duty to make sure the inspectors they refer aren't members of the known no-entrance-requirement diploma mill. We'll also sue every member of the fake coalition's board of directors, their association chapter heads, and anyone (even wives) who participated in any conspiracy to harm Greg Bell. And we'll do it over and over and over again until they are bankrupt (This is our third suit against PHIC and we're preparing a 4th on other grounds that gets filed the day after this one settles).

In the words of my inner city friends I used to live with in Philly... "Don't start no $#%t, won't be no $#%t."

[Joe Farsetta]

Nick,

Isnt this similar to what transpired in NH?

[Peter C. Russell]

To bad Nick doesn't come to NH more