ICC, ASHI and NACHI mentioned in new NACHI H.I. Bill for NH.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

... Where licensing has already taken hold in your state, you have a legal and ethical duty to work within that law. Where it does not exist, in my opinion, it should be resisted.

No disagreement on that point. It's too late here in WI but you can bet your bippy I will have a voice in WI if any proposed changes are detrimental to HIs IN MY STATE.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

I'm also not sure why someone who doesn't have a dog in this hunt is so "vocal" on the NH possible licensing issue.

Fair observation.

First, I love the opportunity to debate this topic. Silence on such issues favors those who are quietly working to socialize the home inspection profession by turning control of it over to the state.

Secondly, I know that NOW is the only time one has to ethically remark on the topic --- that is, PRIOR to it becoming law. Once it is law, it's over. For example, I am reading in some marketing threads where those who pay kickbacks to clients for referrals are able to make money hands over fist while others, in some states, lament that their state law prohibits this "marketing" technique.

As the Florida building inspector stated, licensing laws are not put into place to ensure a higher quality home inspector and home inspectors should fear them...and this is a guy who has been pushing for them in his state for 15 years. I hope the good people of Florida keep up the good fight and continue to inspire all who also wish to keep control over their profession.

Debate on this topic is healthy and the ideas and points of view that are brought out are helpful, if for no other reason than to open eyes and minds, in other states where licensing may someday become an issue.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

...First, I love the opportunity to debate this topic. Silence on such issues favors those who are quietly working to socialize the home inspection profession by turning control of it over to the state.

I enjoy debatr as well as it has the posibility of both teaching other and learning from others. But in this case we all would be better served if a thread a seperate thread was started of a more general nature and not limited to NH. Go ahead and start it James. Perhaps more would be willing to participate. To many HIs sit back and let things happen to them rather than be proactive in stoping or changing legislation.

Originally Posted by jbushart

Secondly, I know that NOW is the only time one has to ethically remark on the topic --- that is, PRIOR to it becoming law. Once it is law, it's over. For example, I am reading in some marketing threads where those who pay kickbacks to clients for referrals are able to make money hands over fist while others, in some states, lament that their state law prohibits this "marketing" technique.

The term "kickback" is at least somewhat prejorative and unnecessary. Rewards, coupons, incentives etc. would be less inflamatory. Plenty of businesses use these devices to market their services and its unfortuante that they are not allowed in some states in the name of "consumer protection". They should certainly be permitted for use by those who don't have an interest in the transaction.

Originally Posted by jbushart

As the Florida building inspector stated, licensing laws are not put into place to ensure a higher quality home inspector and home inspectors should fear them...and this is a guy who has been pushing for them in his state for 15 years. I hope the good people of Florida keep up the good fight and continue to inspire all who also wish to keep control over their profession.

They are often to be feared but sometimes that ship has sailed and all we cam do is try and influence future legislaton. If they can't be stopped(defeinitely preferred) they must be influenced by the paties most affected.

Originally Posted by jbushart

Debate on this topic is healthy and the ideas and points of view that are brought out are helpful, if for no other reason than to open eyes and minds, in other states where licensing may someday become an issue.

Yes, I agree but ALL should be a bit more friendly in out debate.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

IThe term "kickback" is at least somewhat prejorative and unnecessary. Rewards, coupons, incentives etc. would be less inflamatory. Plenty of businesses use these devices to market their services and its unfortuante that they are not allowed in some states in the name of "consumer protection". They should certainly be permitted for use by those who don't have an interest in the transaction.

Mike,

My choice of words was intentional to show that what I personally consider to be wrong and others personally consider to be right...becomes moot once it becomes law.

I think those who advocate this practice I referred to as a kickback call it a "client referral program" so we will use that monicker in place of mine. I do not think they would appreciate having their government tell them that what they are doing is wrong anymore than hearing it from me. This is one small example of how freedom of choice is removed once the profession becomes socialized. Someone else's standards are now imposed upon me and the way I do business.

Perhaps we can all adopt the motto of the great state of NH...to "Live Free, or Die".

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Mike,...
Perhaps we can all adopt the motto of the great state of NH...to "Live Free, or Die".

Sounds good to me. I'm a small "l" libertarian at heart. I don't want the government involved in my life beyond what our Constitution permits. They simply can not be trusted beyond their enumerated powers. But I fear far too many don't even understand what I just stated thanks to our education system. (And that's a whole nother topic)

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mlarson

we all would be better served if a thread a seperate thread was started of a more general nature and not limited to NH. Go ahead and start it James.

Okay.

[Joe Farsetta]

Joe,

As I recall, in the not-so-distant past, you were one of the single loudest opponents of Hi legislation, especially in Florida. Your libertarian posts were well written and monumental; a credit to all of the "under educated, untrained, Luddite types that stand in the middle of the road flailing about beating those damnable iron horse's with their out dated buggy-whips".

In those days, it was fun to watch you go off on those proposing legislation of our industry.

[Joe Farsetta]

The feeling is mutual, Joe. Your rants are of no interest or significance to me. I wish your partner well in his endeavor. He is a class act. As for you, your rants have become childish and tiresome. Someone needs to remind those who may have forgotten, the Joe B of old. That guy was fun to watch. This one is not.

Your coments regarding not meeting the minimum requirements are drivel, Joe. Dig up some of your posts. The truth is there. You appeared to be scared *****less. You had no idea how the requirements would fall. So, at least be honest about it if you can.

Ignore me if you wish. I could care less. In fact, you'd be doing me a favor.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE CHAPTER

LIVE FREE OR DIE {State Motto}

State Chapter of

The National Association of Certified Home Inspectors


NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE CHAPTER NEWSLETTER
PUBLISHER EDITION VOLUME DATE
Frank Carrio Six One August 29, 2006
Chapter President

Greetings to all!
I am happy to announce that at 2:00 PM on August 29, 2006 we had our first Public Meeting addressing the new House Bill pertaining to Licensing of Home / Residential / Building inspectors in New Hampshire. The meeting was chaired by the sponsors of the bill, State Representatives Benjamin Baroody and State Representative Angeline Kopka.

The notice of this meeting went out to all NACHI-NH members as well as to the ASHI-NH members. The Board of Directors of your New Hampshire State Chapter of NACHI Frank Carrio, Marcus Hutnick, and John Hastings, were all present and accounted for. A special thanks goes out to Ron Racine one of our more active members who voiced his opinions, and made his voice heard at this meeting.


ASHI member Daryl Justham and NIBI member David Roth were also present and fully participated in this first public hearing. They both addressed some concerns that I believe were answered to their satisfaction.

The meeting was professional, cordial, and the camaraderie was clearly evident.

All present were invited to attend the next NACHI chapter meeting to take place at “The Yard” in Manchester NH, on Wednesday September 27, 2006 Between 6:00 – 9:00.

State Representatives Baroody and Kopka will be our Guests of Honor and will be addressing this meeting.

Once again, I thank each and every inspector who attended!