Jeff Barnes keeps his competitors from getting a license in Kansas.

[Nick Gromicko]

Janelle Bell

to Nick

show details 2:12 PM (9 minutes ago)

Please post this for me:

I am a new inspector in the State of Kansas. The Kansas Home Inspectors Registration Board is denying any inspector not in business after July 2007 to become registered because inspectors have not had board approved training. Inspectors cannot attend their approved training because the board does not have any schools that have applied to the board for approval. I personally took a Home Inspector Course online from a Nationally Accredited school and the board is refusing to accept their cirriculum or any other online or correspondence training. I even exceeded the required 80 hours as my course was 140 hours. I still had to hand in a completed inspection for a grade before I could pass the course. I do not feel they can restrict those of us with unapproved training from becoming registered as they cannot enforce that portion of the law. Regardless, we won't be on the "registered inspector" list even though we probrably have the same amount of trainig that an inspector that has been in business prior to July 2007 has taken. Realtors will be reluctant to use our services for fear they will be in trouble with state law and we know this isn't the case. Jeff Barnes, President of the Registration Board told me that I could still inspect but just to give realtors a copy of the provision stating that the board cannot enforce the training section of the law and ask the realtor to continue using my services. I am thinking if it were me I would still use a "registered" inspector. This is going to put an end to my inspecting homes just because I cannot comply with "approved training" as realtors will fear using me. My question is, is there any legal recourse that you would know of to help inspectors like myself fight the Boards decision not to register us since they cannot enforce that section of the law? I did everything else they required on the application, I have Liability and Errors & Omissions insurance, I have passed the proctored exam given by NAHI, and they still denyed my application because of training.

Any help would be appreciated.

Janelle Bell
holtonplains0417@yahoo.com

[Gary Farnsworth]

And now, this:

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/21012

Hundreds gather in Topeka to protest federal government encroachment.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Janelle Bell

to Nick

show details 2:12 PM (9 minutes ago)

Please post this for me:

I am a new inspector in the State of Kansas. The Kansas Home Inspectors Registration Board is denying any inspector not in business after July 2007 to become registered because inspectors have not had board approved training. Inspectors cannot attend their approved training because the board does not have any schools that have applied to the board for approval. I personally took a Home Inspector Course online from a Nationally Accredited school and the board is refusing to accept their cirriculum or any other online or correspondence training. I even exceeded the required 80 hours as my course was 140 hours. I still had to hand in a completed inspection for a grade before I could pass the course. I do not feel they can restrict those of us with unapproved training from becoming registered as they cannot enforce that portion of the law. Regardless, we won't be on the "registered inspector" list even though we probably have the same amount of training that an inspector that has been in business prior to July 2007 has taken. Realtors will be reluctant to use our services for fear they will be in trouble with state law and we know this isn't the case. Jeff Barnes, President of the Registration Board told me that I could still inspect but just to give Realtors a copy of the provision stating that the board cannot enforce the training section of the law and ask the Realtor to continue using my services. I am thinking if it were me I would still use a "registered" inspector. This is going to put an end to my inspecting homes just because I cannot comply with "approved training" as Realtors will fear using me. My question is, is there any legal recourse that you would know of to help inspectors like myself fight the Boards decision not to register us since they cannot enforce that section of the law? I did everything else they required on the application, I have Liability and Errors & Omissions insurance, I have passed the proctored exam given by NAHI, and they still denyed my application because of training.

Any help would be appreciated.

Janelle Bell
holtonplains0417@yahoo.com

The best thing an inspector can do is to contact their legislatures, have a face to face meeting with them, and have them explain to you why this bill is being allowed to put you out of business. Also contact all local media to tell them what is happening.
This fiasco is not legally a law yet until the cleanup bill is signed by your governor. You cannot depend on the inspector organizations representing themselves in Kansas to fight for you because secretly they have already or just finishing up on making their deals that benefit them, not their members. You need to fight for your livelihood because nobody else will fight harder for you than yourself. Sad but true.

[James H. Bushart]

When we visited our Missouri legislature, yesterday, a ranking member of the House commented that "everyone has heard of the Kansas law" and lowered and shook his head.

He called it a "debacle" and assured us that "we are all aware of what they did in Kansas and see it as everything NOT to do in home inspector legislation".

[Buck Hartley, CMI]

Send your resume to the Education committee for review.

[Buck Hartley, CMI]

The ROADS were dry and clear to JEFFERSON CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by bhartley

Send your resume to the Education committee for review.

What would that do? The bill says she cannot be grandfathered-in. The board does not have the power to let her in the way the bill is written. It appears to me you are just giving her a glimmer of hope to keep her quite until the cleanup bill is passed. I hate to be suspicious of you but I do remember you eagerly helping Barnes test the system and you got a low license number too boot. If she is let in than all newer inspectors need to be let in and the bill changed.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

The law is the law BUT the rules are the rules, and were added after the law and are a work-in-progress. Some have been changed.

SINCE there was (and still is) NO WAY to get BOARD APPROVED TRAINING as of todays date - On the 1st go-around - who knows what might get accepted on a case-by-case basis / BUT they will have to ask or nobody will know they're out there.

Like BUCK said, send it to the EDUCATION Committee for review. You don't know unless you ask. Pat seems to understand the HOLES in the Bill and is a reasonable man.

Board Member - Education Committee Chairman
Pat Regan / Coldwell Banker Realty; Shawnee, KS
(913) 631-2900

[James E. Braun, CMI]

I think Kansas inspectors need to get some answers from the board on this subject. It is not right for inspectors such as Janelle to be lead down some uncertain road. These new inspectors need to know what is going on, they got to be able to make a living until this mess is straightened out. If the board and the legislatures, like most governments, are not pushed for answers this might go on for many months. Guessing or just hoping the board is going to do the right thing and go against the law does not sound realistic to me.

[Buck Hartley, CMI]

Janelle,

Send your resume to the Education committee!!!!!!!

Thank you

[James E. Braun, CMI]

I am not saying that Janelle should not submit her resume to the board but the board should be forced to put out a statement notifying inspectors that they are considering exceptions to the the supposed law. Not making this information public is wrong and hurts newer inspectors. I can see why the grandfather-in inspectors may not see this to be a big deal because it does not affect them because they are already registered. Like most HI laws, this bill restricts competition, instead of letting the consumer decide who is the better inspector.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Also all Kansas inspectors needs to notify the Attorney General's office. This prohibiting existing inspectors from being able to register due to the lack of approving an education provider has to be unconstitutional. It is not like they did not have enough time; they have been trying to get home inspectors licensed for at least eight years now.

[Patrick Carter]

Originally Posted by bhartley

The ROADS were dry and clear to JEFFERSON CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You could'nt tell that by riding in the back seat of Bower's Van unless you looked out the foggy windows

I wonder if he ever got that crap smell out

[Nick Gromicko]

Also all Kansas inspectors needs to notify the Attorney General's office. This prohibiting existing inspectors from being able to register due to the lack of approving an education provider has to be unconstitutional. It is not like they did not have enough time; they have been trying to get home inspectors licensed for at least eight years now.

The ridiculous part about it is Jeff Barnes has never taken a formal inspection course himself. Today he keeps his competitors from getting a license while he touts license #0001 in his marketing literature, a license number magically procured before the law went into effect. The Kansas Home Inspector Licensing Board is run like a banana Republic.

[Greg Bell]

I have a feeling that the fiasco coming to Florida is going to make this look like child's play, but only time will tell.