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Old 2/21/09, 12:55 AM
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You now have your association bias, Nick. Let's see what you can do.

See Page 4.



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Old 2/21/09, 2:30 AM
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Default Re: Kansas Board Approves NAHI and ASHI Tests - Denies NACHI Test

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You now have your association bias, Nick. Let's see what you can do.

See Page 4.
It will probably be like that Jim ...until Nick proctors his test for certain criteria, like this "Cluster-Jack"
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Old 2/21/09, 7:27 AM
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You now have your association bias, Nick. Let's see what you can do.

See Page 4.
Someone explain how INACHI's test can be considered for inclusion as long as this is in the bill:

K.A.R. 130-1-3. Examination. (a) To be approved by the board, each examination
required for registration shall meet the following requirements:



(2) be psychometrically sound as evidenced by documented evaluation of the examination by an independent organization.



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Old 2/21/09, 8:19 AM
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Default Re: Kansas Board Approves NAHI and ASHI Tests - Denies NACHI Test

It has nothing to do with association bias. It has everytning to do with having a valid test.



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Old 2/21/09, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: Kansas Board Approves NAHI and ASHI Tests - Denies NACHI Test

If it so important, why doesn't NACHI have a proctored TEST. I would rather pay NACHI $200 than NAHI or ASHI for a test. I am sure Nick can find away to produce a proctored TEST.
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Old 2/21/09, 10:41 AM
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NACHI tests can be proctored at any community college for a fee....considerably less than the NHIE.



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Old 2/21/09, 10:48 AM
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NACHI tests can be proctored at any community college for a fee....considerably less than the NHIE.
Proctoring does not make the NACHI test psychometricaly evaluated by a third party as required by the Kansas law.



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Old 2/21/09, 2:22 PM
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Bottom line, the Kansas board only wants inspectors operating in Kansas that THEY want, and will have the power to decide, no matter what the test results, background checks, or pycho exams they throw at us. It will only be ASHI inspectors. We, the others, are out of business, and the home buyers of Kansas will not get full inspection reports, so the inspectors of Kansas will not kill real estate deals. This is what the KAR wants, and without the help of Nick, this will happen. It is pretty much a conspiracy, a union. Kansas is a right to work state, and the board is calling our bluff, that we, as the other inspectors, will not sue. All we need to do is promote the treat, but no one will do that. So, it is ASHI and Mr. B....s that will control the home inspection industry in Kansas, and it will spread to other states. If Nick does not move now, the life of us and iNACHI will be dust in the wind.
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Old 2/21/09, 5:42 PM
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Our psychometrically valid exam has been proctored more than any other in the inspection industry. Every college that uses it to issue actual college credits... proctors it, and has for many years.

InterNACHI's exam better predicts competence, includes built in intelligence that finds weak spots in the exam taker, has a higher passing cut off score than any other national exam, and a lower pass rate (even in proctored settings): www.nachi.org/aboutexam.htm



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Default Re: Kansas Board Approves NAHI and ASHI Tests - Denies NACHI Test

Say what your want. The NACHI test is not, at this moment, a valid test.

Kansas did not deny the test. They set rules for the validity of the test. ASHI and NAHI meet those rules. NACHI does not.

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Old 2/21/09, 5:59 PM
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I still do not understand why NACHI does not do the same thing???
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Old 2/21/09, 6:46 PM
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Our psychometrically valid exam
I have requested proof of this statement for the past 5 years...
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Old 2/21/09, 6:47 PM
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Default Re: Kansas Board Approves NAHI and ASHI Tests - Denies NACHI Test

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Our psychometrically valid exam has been proctored more than any other in the inspection industry. Every college that uses it to issue actual college credits... proctors it, and has for many years.

InterNACHI's exam better predicts competence, includes built in intelligence that finds weak spots in the exam taker, has a higher passing cut off score than any other national exam, and a lower pass rate (even in proctored settings): www.nachi.org/aboutexam.htm
Fantastic, I didn't know that.

Now could you please direct me to the documented evaluation of the examination by an independent organization.



He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors - Thomas Jefferson - Founding Father

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Old 2/21/09, 8:43 PM
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You now have your association bias, Nick. Let's see what you can do.

See Page 4.
(3) on or before July 1, 2008, received official notice of passing the examination offered by the American society of home inspectors, inc.
As far as I know at no time in 2008 did ASHI offer a home inspection exam, are they talking about the independent NHIE?



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Old 2/21/09, 9:27 PM
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The Kansas board has the power to decide everything about operating a home inspector business in Kansas. Education, rules, regulations, SOP, ethics, everything. Whomever presents the most money to the board will be the winner. We will be at their mercy, no one else. This is what they want. Control. KAR now will have it. Reports will only be perhaps one page so that the RE will sell the homes. Home buyers will loose.
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