Licensing Schooling In Kansas

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

This is gonna float your boat. One of the local ASHI guys saw this web site and sent it to me. With the new Kansas Law for home inspectors in place, it looks like the school over in Leavenworth is getting geared up to really start cranking out new home inspectors.

Copy and paste this in your browsers. http://www.midwestinsp.com/CourseOfferings.htm

Then go there and scroll down the page to the 80 Hour Day Class (for the new KS Bill) - then scroll down a little farther and check out their New 80 Hour Alternate night and weekend classes for Kansas.

If I counted correctly there 12 classes (every month) next year in Leavenworth. Thats not counting the 1 or 2 they do at Johnson County Community College, NOR the ones the ASHI guy said they've heard the group in Leavenworth hopes to start doing down in Wichita OR out in West Kansas.

That would go along with the push by them and 1 of the KS HI review board members (at the 1st Board meeting before the Board had even introduced themselves to each other, etc. someone had already written up about 30 pages of proposed rules and regulations for them to REGULATE inspectors. One of those rules was that ALL pre-licensing classes were to be put on by a Kansas State Licensed Facility under the State Regents Board). Thats Vo-Tech schools, community colleges, universities, etc. The Board Members were told that all Kansas Licensed professions are controlled under the Regents Board. There are 56 state licensed professions in Kansas. Ones like doctors, dentists, engineers, etc may fall under the State Regents Board - Others don't.

Since the folks out in Leavenworth are set up teaching at the Johnson County Community College - If someone pushes a Regulation REQUIRING all training to be under Vo-Tech schools, community colleges, universities, etc. that would qualifiy the Leavenworth school, National ASHI's training partners ITA and Carson-Dunlop and other LARGE national franchisees, and almost no one else.

Real / Real Interesting Viewpoint ................

[Gary Farnsworth]

Learning details of home systems in these classes are all mostly way over the standards of practice of any national home inspection agency. Taking these so called "courses" are mostly not needed when a good standards of practice are implimented. I am not against learning, but the more you know, the more you are liable, and more of an expert. You have to go by the standards of practice, which are not yet established by the board here in Kansas. Stating technical things to a prospective buyer and stating them on your reports opens you up to lawsuits, which probably the board and attorneys want anyway. This would consider you an expert, not a generalist. Be careful on the courses you take and advertise.

The industry is headed this way. Will we become experts in the field of home inspections, or stay as generalists by the standards of practice?

[James H. Bushart]

This is hilarious.

The Kansas Law errantly provided for the use of international associations to supply the SOP...which was over ruled by the Attorney General. He has sent the entire law back to the legislature for amendment.

The Licensing Board errantly began forming an SOP Committee to write, implement and monitor an SOP....prior to having a law to empower them to do so.

Now...you have schools already in place to teach an SOP...before anyone in the State knows what will be in it.

Carpetbaggers at their best.

[Gary Farnsworth]

Carpetbaggers are forcing changes in the SOP's of all national agencies. You will have to, then, take the courses, and pay for them. See Nick's chimney SOP in the misc. thread. Nick is starting to do this, so we will have to pay for the videos/education. A way to make more money, to compensate for the loss of home inspectors, who are dropping like flies because of the economy. Nick is doing it backwards.

[dharris]

Originally Posted by jbushart

This is hilarious.

The Kansas Law errantly provided for the use of international associations to supply the SOP...which was over ruled by the Attorney General.

The Licensing Board errantly began forming an SOP Committee to write, implement and monitor an SOP....prior to having a law to empower them to do so.

Now...you have schools already in place to teach an SOP...before anyone in the State knows what will be in it.

Carpetbaggers at their best.

Busshy.. Your going in the wrong direction if you believe you can stop licensing.
A better direction would be require the HI schools [ per you, the carpetbaggers] to provide the truth about our liabialty, cost to get started, cost to stay in business, and disclose 1 out of 5 make it past the 1st year.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by dharris

Busshy.. Your going in the wrong direction if you believe you can stop licensing.
A better direction would be require the HI schools [ per you, the carpetbaggers] to provide the truth about our liabialty, cost to get started, cost to stay in business, and disclose 1 out of 5 make it past the 1st year.

And bend over like Dan. I heard Dan Harriss is going to teach a course on the best positions to get screwed in and like it.

[Gary Farnsworth]

We will not stop licensing. The legislature will. Kansas is a right to work state, an "at will" state. There are laws protecting the right to do business in the state. That is why our proposed home inspection bill is unconstitutional. Schooling in this state is run by the State Board of Regents. They have rules within the state. That is why the CE of home inspectors by ASHI, NACHI, etc. are all not allowed. The home inspection industry has been operating just fine here in Kansas for over 30 years. No need for schooling here. Just attend 200 inspections with another inspector. The person will either stick around and learn, or run. Everybody is a teacher, but you have to be certified by the state to do so. But if their inspection business is non-existant, they want to try to charge for the classes, or pay one lump sum up front for a "business in a box". Carpetbaggers are trying real hard to interfere with our industry.

[Nick Gromicko]

Gary writes:

Carpetbaggers are forcing changes in the SOP's of all national agencies. You will have to, then, take the courses, and pay for them. See Nick's chimney SOP in the misc. thread. Nick is starting to do this, so we will have to pay for the videos/education. A way to make more money, to compensate for the loss of home inspectors, who are dropping like flies because of the economy.

Gary, you are incorrect again.

InterNACHI doesn't have a single required course, quiz, or exam that isn't 100% free: www.nachi.org/membership.htm

The few courses we charge for are totally optional and made available to only those who personally want or need them.

[Nick Gromicko]

Also Gary, read: http://www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm

[Gary Farnsworth]

Since the home inspection board in Kansas cannot regulate the education for home inspectors, they will suggest to the board of regents what to do, and what to teach. If the regents approve, then we, as Kansas inspectors, will have to pay for the education. Not iNACH, ASHI, or any others. They will price the education out of reach of most inspectors, and give discounts on the new ones. See Dan's post. Thread is getting off the subject that started it, but darn it, I hate outside interests telling me how to run my business.

[Nick Gromicko]

That's true. InterNACHI is the largest school system in the inspection industry, in part, because most of it's course offerings are free.

You have to be careful that no one on your home inspector licensing board is abusing his public office for personal financial gain by requiring expensive, less educational, class-room only courses. Online education is best for both inspector and consumer: www.nachi.org/education.htm

[Nick Gromicko]

http://www.nachi.org/classroomsharm.htm