Michigan home inspector licensing meeting on July 23, 2008.

[Nick Gromicko]

Michael writes:

Nick,

Your delusional, who cares what continuing education class tennessee approved. we are talking about a licensing bill

Other than Tennessee home inspectors, apparently Jim Bushart does. In your post Michael where you 1/2 quoted me you oddly failed to make it clear that my comment was in reply to Jim's, thus making it appear that I went off topic on my own. Here, I'll help clear it up for you and others by reminding you what really happened.

Jim Bushart, in post #5 and #11, accuses InterNACHI of making a profit from free education.

Now, having read that accusation, does my reply to it seem delusional?

Here was my reply to Jim's out-of-the-blue, off topic accusations that InterNACHI is a carpetbagger in Tennessee, profiting financially from helping members keep up with their CE requirements for free:

Gromicko writes:

A carpetbagger????!!!!

Well heck, if I was an InterNACHI member in Tennessee and needed to drive to some town, buy gas, stay in a motel, pay tuition, and lose a day's work to take a course at someone else's pace... I'd sure be wishing that my association would come up with some free, approved, online courses to help me.

InterNACHI the carpetbagger to the rescue: http://www.nachi.org/tnconted2008.htm

Michael, I think it only fair that if you quote what appears to be a dilusional off-topic comment of mine, that you also explain what it was in response to.

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim writes:

But you can depend on InterNACHI to help you keep your license with FREE, approved, online courses that you can take from your bed in you pajamas.

I got this today from the State of Tennessee: http://www.nachi.org/tn3roofeleclogapproval2008.htm

Jim, all three of these courses are free. Did I say free?

O.K, here is another quote of the same venue. My comments stand from my previous post. The point being made is simple, Why is it that we, as an association do not get involved in home inspection bills that can cripple an inspectors lively hood? Kansas and this bill as written are perfect examples, yet the focus seems to be on continuing education with little to no thought of how crappy legislation hurts the home inspection industry.

[Nick Gromicko]

Good question and the answer is quite simple. Many of your fellow members want and fight FOR licensing. InterNACHI's Atlanta Chapter was behind the legislation in Georgia this year (it didn't pass BTW, Governor didn't sign it.).

[Nick Gromicko]

It's easy for Jim to open his yap and start complaining that I'm busy developing free courses for profit (I don't know what that means either) and not interested in how licensing is affecting members, bla, bla, bla, puke. But I've been on top of Representative Accavitti's licensing Bill since 2004... and no I didn't (and can't) use membership money.

If Jim would have done a little research first he could have easily found this http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi in MICHIGAN (scroll down on http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi and type in "Gromicko" for Contributor Last Name.

Do you think all these licensing Bills in the past 10 years get changed to become association-neutral and even InterNACHI-friendly on their own??? Please.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

It's easy for Jim to open his yap and start complaining that I'm busy developing free courses for profit (I don't know what that means either) and not interested in how licensing is affecting members, bla, bla, bla, puke.

Is this one free, Nick?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Good question and the answer is quite simple. Many of your fellow members want and fight FOR licensing. InterNACHI's Atlanta Chapter was behind the legislation in Georgia this year (it didn't pass BTW, Governor didn't sign it.).

Nick is right, in this regard.

Although he, as other vendors, intends to profit from it ---- NACHI has members on both sides of the licensing issue.

NACHI could be of greater service to help us fight the issue if Nick's heart was really in it, but it is imprudent to count on it.

The most effective means of fighting a fight that will win against a licensing bill is at the grassroots, anyway. When NACHI selling a course, NHIE selling a test, or ASHI selling its agenda approach legislators...they all look alike. Voters who take up sides on local issues are assured a voice...but you have to act early.

In Kansas last year, the used house salesmen pushing the bill were actually aided by home inspectors who chose to remain silent out of fear of losing their source of referrals. Taking a stand on these issues, locally, takes courage.

Proponents of licensing will try to make it look like it is "inevitable" or anything else they can say or do just to keep people quiet. If you want to upset their apple cart, don't be afraid to make a lot of noise and let your legislator's know you are out there.

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim writes

Is this one free, Nick?

Funny how out of all the literally free one's in http://www.nachi.org/tnconted2008.htm you find one where we recoup a small portion of our costs. Makes me look suspiciously at all your posts as that distortion took energy and deliberate effort on your part (no accidental mistake).

Joe Farsetta charges for his commercial and well sampler courses too... did you expect him not to recover his costs either? Do you know who subsidizes all of Joe's course offerings so that members only pay $150 to take a $1,500.00 commercial course?

So far you look like a ding dong trying imply that InterNACHI is making a profit on education in lieu of www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm ... but there is plenty more thread for you to post away on and see if you can get out of the ding dong category.

[Nick Gromicko]

And as for your other ding dong accusation that I'm doing nothing about licensing in Michigan (the topic of this thread), you might want to scroll down on http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi and type in my last name. As I've said, I've been all over this since 2004 and I'm on so many donor lists now that no legislator submits an inspection Bill without calling me first. Legislators even call me about infection legislation just because infection rhymes with inspection .

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim writes

Funny how out of all the literally free one's in http://www.nachi.org/tnconted2008.htm you find one where we recoup a small portion of our costs. Makes me look suspiciously at all your posts as that distortion took energy and deliberate effort on your part.

Joe Farsetta charges for his commercial and well sampler courses too... did you expect him not to recover his costs either? Do you know who subsidizes all of Joe's course offerings so that members only pay $150 to take a $1,500.00 commercial course?

So far you look like a ding dong trying imply that InterNACHI is making a profit on education in lieu of www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm ... but there is plenty more thread for you to post away on and see if you can get out of the ding dong category.

So...you are saying that I have highlighted the one and the only video course submitted by NACHI Tv for licensing that will ever have a fee attached to it and that, as we speak, there are no other NACHI Tv pay-per-view video courses before any licensing boards being considered for approval.

Is that what you are saying? For the record?

[James H. Bushart]

Michael Bazzo,

I am not trying to demonize Nick or NACHI for profiting from licensing. Why shouldn't he do what ASHI does with its NHIE test and ITT/Kaplan courses.

My point is that your earlier reliance upon NACHI to fight legislation, as you pointed out, had a disappointing result. IMO, it always will. NACHI is not any more likely to kill its golden goose than ASHI is.

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim, I sure as hell hope not! The day each and every course provider offers each and every course for free is the day we have no more continuing education options.

InterNACHI just happens to be the only one that is able to do it for totally free or at a loss, depending on what course you want.

Either way though... whether you are at last year's convention enjoying 7 classrooms (tracks) for 3 days of education for a grand total of $99, or taking Joe's commercial course for $150, or taking one of our pay per view courses, or taking one of our many free, state-approved, online courses, you will find them to be the best value for of all your continuing education choices.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim, I sure as hell hope not! The day each and every course provider offers each and every course for free is the day we have no more continuing education options.

InterNACHI just happens to be the only one that is able to do it for totally free or at a loss, depending on what course you want.

Either way though... whether you are at last year's convention enjoying 7 classrooms (tracks) for 3 days of education for a grand total of $99, or taking Joe's commercial course for $150, or taking one of our pay per view courses, or taking one of our many free, state-approved, online courses, you will find them to be the best value for of all your continuing education choices.

No argument from me.

But you are on the record as providing education for profit to licensed states and, as such, are profiting financially from home inspector licensing laws. This is the point I was making that you dramatically took exception to.

[Nick Gromicko]

Not every inspector is cheapskate Jim.

Some only want the courses that are the least expensive, so we provide plenty of free online courses. Some only want classroom courses with a live teacher, so we provide those. Some want expensive-to-produce video courses, so we provide those.

[Nick Gromicko]

Uh, where do you see a profit? Every online course InterNACHI offers is free. Everything a side vendor like Joe Farsetta or John Mckenna offers is subsidized by InterNACHI. NACHI.TV's production costs are about $450 a minute and most all of NACHI.TV's episodes are free. The very few that aren't are there as an option along side all the free and subsidized offerings. Have you ever read www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm ?

I'm lost. If you see a profit center here, let me know, because I sure don't.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Not every inspector is cheapskate Jim.

Some only want the courses that are the least expensive, so we provide plenty of free online courses. Some only want classroom courses with a live teacher, so we provide those. Some want expensive-to-produce video courses, so we provide those.

Earlier in this thread, Nick....when a man was asking for NACHI's assistance in fighting an unwanted licensing law that was being jammed down his throat...

...you came skipping and singing and whistling that all is well and none should worry for, when the dust settled and the smoke cleared, there would be NACHI providing "free" CEUs that inspectors could take in their "Pajamas".

Don't suddenly turn "quality" on me, Nick, in the middle of the same thread.