Michigan home inspector licensing meeting on July 23, 2008.

[Nick Gromicko]

Gerry Beaumont has analyzed this several times on this message board and has demonstrated that with all the free and reasonably priced CE InterNACHI offers, we deliver more CE hours per dollar than any other source including other associations and schools.

[James H. Bushart]

C'mon, Nick. It can't be infomercial time, already.....

Micheal Bazzo wants help fighting the Michigan law...not a video on how to change flashlight batteries he can watch in his pajamas.

Can NACHI help him, or not?

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Not sure if this is what you speak of, but here are the results I got

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[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

C'mon, Nick. It can't be infomercial time, already.....

Micheal Bazzo wants help fighting the Michigan law...not a video on how to change flashlight batteries he can watch in his pajamas.

Can NACHI help him, or not?

Not just me but for every inspector in this state. Why is our voice not being heard? the "other" guys have committees dealing with licensing. why are we the silent one on this front? we have members who have the ability to go in front of legislators and make our position known.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mbazzo

Not just me but for every inspector in this state. Why is our voice not being heard? the "other" guys have committees dealing with licensing. why are we the silent one on this front? we have members who have the ability to go in front of legislators and make our position known.

The "other" guys are taking part with the many national associations that push licensing bills. Opposing these bills is a relatively new phenomena.

It was the mantra that licensing is inevitable...lulling most into a quiet stupor.

As state by state fell to the NAR agenda of licensing...and the harm that it does became easire to see....more and more opposed, but we do not have a national voice.

National associations...instead of opposing it....position themselves to gain financially by it, if it happens and do nothing to stop it, pretending to be neutral. Business is business, I guess.

Even ASHI who pushes it (to sell the NHIE and ITT courses) lies to its members and pretends to be neutral....but helps fund those chapters willing to hire lobbyists to fight for a bill.

You saw how productive your cry for help to NACHI leadership was, didn't you? LOL

Politics is ugly.

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim writes:

Earlier in this thread, Nick....when a man was asking for NACHI's assistance in fighting an unwanted licensing law that was being jammed down his throat...

...you came skipping and singing and whistling that all is well and none should worry for, when the dust settled and the smoke cleared, there would be NACHI providing "free" CEUs that inspectors could take in their "Pajamas".

Don't suddenly turn "quality" on me, Nick, in the middle of the same thread.

Really. Since I'm now suspicious of the truthfulness of your posts, let me look back on page 1 and see who came skipping in with the education crap...

Post #1 started by ME is titled Michigan Home Inspector Licensing meeting on July 23, 2008 and has a link to http://www.nachi.org/milicensing2008.htm a link that clearly opposes licensing and no mention of education.

Post #2 is Jason Sieg asking for a copy of the licensing Bill, no mention of education again.

Post #3 is Brian MacNeish quoting a portion of the Bill, no mention of education yet.

Post #4 is Micahael Bazzo talking about how licensing triples the number of inspectors, etc, and still no mention of education yet.

Post #5 is Jim Bushart, first to bring up a false accusation of profiting via "advanced courses." The first mention of education in the entire thread.

There ya go.

Now after that...

Post #6 I reply to Michael about licensing, no mention of education.

Post #7 I show that MichAHI joined me in opposition, no mention of education again.

Now that facts are that when, as you say, "licensing was being jammed down a member's throat" it was you that brought up profiting with education, not me. I only replied to a false accusation.

Here are the facts.

• I announced the Michigan meeting on this message board.
• I wrote every word of this opposition page: http://www.nachi.org/milicensing2008.htm Post #1.
• I found and posted MicHAHI's oppostion page: http://www.nachi.org/documents/michahivotesno2008.pdf Post #7.
• I met with Representative Accavitti 4 times since 2004.
• I donated my personal money to lobby for changes to make the Bill InterNACHI friendly http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi

What have you done? You dragged in some B.S. off-topic accusation about profiting from CE and leveled it on the one entity that provides more free CE than any other in the industry: www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm Me thinks you shouldn't get your panties all bunched up every time you worry that some educator might have figured out a way to cover his costs.... it's plain weird.

[Nick Gromicko]

Michael, don't include the quotation marks silly . My last name doesn't start witha a quotation mark. Just scroll down and put my name GROMICKO in the Contributors Last Name section of http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi

You may also want to look at the dates once you get there. How do you think all the legislation in the past 10 years is association neutral?

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Michael, don't include the quotation marks silly . My last name doesn't start witha a quotation mark. Just scroll down and put my name GROMICKO in the Contributors Last Name section of http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi

You may also want to look at the dates once you get there. How do you think all the legislation in the past 10 years is association neutral?

I didnt use quotes the search results placed them as you see it in my post

[Nick Gromicko]

Michael writes

I didnt use quotes the search results placed them as you see it in my post

Yes but in contrast to my clear instructions, you also entered a state. Look at your own post. Why?

I just had 3 staffers type my last name into the Contributors Last Name field at http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi and not one had any trouble. You are entering a state for some odd reason, that wasn't in my instructions. Why are you doing that? If you insist on entering a state for me, enter Pennsylvania.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim writes:

Really. Since I'm now suspicious of the truthfulness of your posts, let me look back on page 1 and see who came skipping in with the education crap...

Post #1 started by ME is titled Michigan Home Inspector Licensing meeting on July 23, 2008 and has a link to http://www.nachi.org/milicensing2008.htm a link that clearly opposes licensing and no mention of education.

Post #2 is Jason Sieg asking for a copy of the licensing Bill, no mention of education again.

Post #3 is Brian MacNeish quoting a portion of the Bill, no mention of education yet.

Post #4 is Micahael Bazzo talking about how licensing triples the number of inspectors, etc, and still no mention of education yet.

Post #5 is Jim Bushart, first to bring up a false accusation of profiting via "advanced courses." The first mention of education in the entire thread.

There ya go.

Now after that...

Post #6 I reply to Michael about licensing, no mention of education.

Post #7 I show that MichAHI joined me in opposition, no mention of education again.

Now that facts are that when, as you say, "licensing was being jammed down a member's throat" it was you that brought up profiting with education, not me. I only replied to a false accusation.

Here are the facts.

I announced the Michigan meeting on this message board.

I wrote every word of this opposition page: http://www.nachi.org/milicensing2008.htm Post #1.

I found and posted MicHAHI's oppostion page: http://www.nachi.org/documents/michahivotesno2008.pdf Post #7.

I met with Representative Accavitti 4 times since 2004.

I donated my personal money to lobby for changes to make the Bill InterNACHI friendly http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi

What have you done? You dragged in some B.S. off-topic accusation about profiting from CE and leveled it on the one entity that provides more free CE than any other in the industry: www.nachi.org/inspectionexcellence.htm Me thinks you shouldn't get your panties all bunched up every time you worry that some educator might have figured out a way to cover his costs.... it's plain weird.

You are right. I did introduce "education" first. I stand corrected.

I introduced the fact that NACHI Tv, a for profit agency, is soliciting state licensing boards and that...as a result...it is unlikely to find NACHI fighting against legislation at one end and profiting by it at the other.

Your activities...prior to NACHI Tv and its financial interests in home inspector legislation...seem to have been welcomed and somewhat effective. I hope you plan to do more.

P.S. --- There were no "false accusations" regarding your profiting from "advanced" courses made by me. It was your misleading statement that ALL of your courses are FREE that comes closes to being "false".

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

[quote=gromicko]Michael, don't include the quotation marks silly . My last name doesn't start witha a quotation mark. Just scroll down and put my name GROMICKO in the Contributors Last Name section of http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/...ntrib_anls.cgi

You may also want to look at the dates once you get there. How do you think all the legislation in the past 10 years is association neutral?[/quote]

Three results turned up this time, I left out the state which probably was the problem the first time around. how does three contributions between 2004 until 2005 have anything to do with the last 10 years you speak of? and what has been done since 2005?

[Nick Gromicko]

Michael writes

how does three contributions between 2004 until 2005 have anything to do with the last 10 years you speak of? and what has been done since 2005?

Nothing other than more personal donations by me in early 2008 because I got the association-neutral changes that I sought. Representative Accavitti even spoke at our chapter meeting http://www.nachi.org/semichiganchapter.htm

The reason I didn't do anything or donate any of my personal money in Michigan prior to 2004 is because there was no proposed home inspection legislation in Michigan prior to 2004. I was talking in general about legislation in all states this past decade.

[Michael Bazzo, CMI]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Michael writes

Nothing other than more personal donations by me in early 2008 because I got the association-neutral changes that I sought. Representative Accavitti even spoke at our chapter meeting http://www.nachi.org/semichiganchapter.htm

The reason I didn't do anything or donate any of my personal money in Michigan prior to 2004 is because there was no proposed legislation in Michigan prior to 2004.

Does that mean you will be here July 23rd to meet with rep Accavitti as you did with Paul Mooney?

[James H. Bushart]

"Association bias".....

That is another comical position. Some people actually think that a bill that does not name and association...or names all associations, equally...lacks "association bias" and, as such, is a good bill.

This is incredibly moronic and absurd.

For one thing...the first thing that ASHI presidents pushing a bill in a state will do is disguise themselves as a "coalition", pretending to be representing ALL home inspectors regardless of association.

All recent home inspection legislation...from the lunacy of the "say nothing...just give the state your money" Florida bill to the "$10,000 warranty" Kansas bill lacks "association bias" by definition....but was backed by only one home inspection association in each state (NAHI in Florida, ASHI in Kansas) and both bills do much harm and little good for the inspector and the industry.

But...neither bill says "ASHI" in it...and, hey....Wanna learn how to inspect a crawlspace in your pajamas? If so, we have the CEUs for you!!!

No, Mark.....there is no help to be found by the national associations. It has to be local...or nothing.

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim writes:

You are right. I did introduce "education" first. I stand corrected.

I introduced the fact that NACHI Tv, a for profit agency, is soliciting state licensing boards and that...as a result...it is unlikely to find NACHI fighting against legislation at one end and profiting by it at the other.

Your activities...prior to NACHI Tv and its financial interests in home inspector legislation...seem to have been welcomed and somewhat effective. I hope you plan to do more.

P.S. --- There were no "false accusations" regarding your profiting from "advanced" courses made by me. It was your misleading statement that ALL of your courses are FREE that comes closes to being "false".

Jim, I'm simply not going to let you get away with this again. They are ALL FREE. This does not come close to being false. Here is the statement I made in response to your accusation...

Gromicko writes in post #8, the first reply to the Jim's accusation:

But you can depend on InterNACHI to help you keep your license with FREE, approved, online courses that you can take from your bed in you pajamas.

I got this today from the State of Tennessee: http://www.nachi.org/tn3roofeleclogapproval2008.htm

Jim, all three of these courses are free. Did I say free?

All three of these courses are free... nothing misleading... nothing coming close to false. Here is the link in my post #8 http://www.nachi.org/tn3roofeleclogapproval2008.htm Note the last line in my post where I say....

Jim, all three of these courses are free.

All 3 are free and always have been free and always will be free. Where is my statement false?