Missouri Licensing Bill Grandfathers NACHI Members

[James H. Bushart]

As an ASHI member, I can share with you that the ASHI leadership who is pushing this bill is selling it by showing ASHI members how much money they will make by taking along a couple of newbies for $100 per inspection.

Then..(this is my observation, not theirs)....I can advertise an inspection for $150 to undercut my competitor to get more jobs...and still make $350 per inspection.

Anyone thinking these "ride-alongs" are free is crazy.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

If this law passes...you and many others. At least you will have company.

Where does it say I have to be living in MO in order to qualify for the grandfather clause? I don't see it in the bill.

[Billy Boerner]

What about Chris he lives in IL. Your saying he will have to do ride alongs and 80 hrs as well even though he's been doing inspections in STL well over two years just because he lives in IL? I can see this heading to court for some if it does indeed pass and only allows the grandfather to take effect on those residing inside MO.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Where does it say I have to be living in MO in order to qualify for the grandfather clause? I don't see it in the bill.

LOL...

With all this effort to eliminate their competition, I'm sure the old boys on the licensing board will open their arms and welcome out of state folks without licenses. Get real, Bill.

Missouri laws apply to Missouri citizens....and no one is going to make a Missouri newby pay a mentor and let an Illinois newby in for free.

Have you joined TAMHI, yet? If not, go to www.tamhi.org and get yourself in the fight.

And again...Bill....this same grandfathering clause has been in every law...and after the public hearing, it has been removed from the bill or tremendously changed. 2007, they took NACHI out of the bill at ASHI's insistence. In 2008, he dropped the entire grandfathering clause at the hearing...saying what is fair for some is fair for all.

In either case, Bill....you will not be grandfathered. You will help us fight this bill, or you will have a choice of licensing in your own state or ours.

[James H. Bushart]

Oh...and if the board passes a reciprocating license provision (all autonomy rests with the board, by the way, to do whatever they want any way they want) Chris, holding a license in Illinois, may have his accepted in Missouri.

You...not holding a license anywhere...will have to meet the same standard that a Missouri inspector would.

Grandfathering will not be an option for you under this law, Bill. Feel free to contact the bill's author, Mike Parson (R) of Bolivar, MO. His email can be obtained from our link.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

LOL...

With all this effort to eliminate their competition, I'm sure the old boys on the licensing board will open their arms and welcome out of state folks without licenses. Get real, Bill.

Missouri laws apply to Missouri citizens....and no one is going to make a Missouri newby pay a mentor and let an Illinois newby in for free.

Have you joined TAMHI, yet? If not, go to www.tamhi.org and get yourself in the fight.

And again...Bill....this same grandfathering clause has been in every law...and after the public hearing, it has been removed from the bill or tremendously changed. 2007, they took NACHI out of the bill at ASHI's insistence. In 2008, he dropped the entire grandfathering clause at the hearing...saying what is fair for some is fair for all.

In either case, Bill....you will not be grandfathered. You will help us fight this bill, or you will have a choice of licensing in your own state or ours.

First of all neither IL or MO is my state. I actually live in both but claim residency on neither. Oklahoma is. However we'll see how that falls out in the eyes of this new board. Regardless it's nonsense especially if one can prove they been doing business in MO for sometime. And I may be new Jim however one thing I'm not new at is regulations and how they may or may not hold up in a court of law. I can clearly see the board loosing in a hurry in a court of law if they don't specifically state that the grandfather clause is only good for registered MO state residents. Right now the bill says nothing about it. I'll be emailing the Parson's to see how that plays out.

[Billy Boerner]

What if I switch my residency from Oklahoma to MO? Will that suffice?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

What if I switch my residency from Oklahoma to MO? Will that suffice?

Ask Parson.

I'm certain he will put it off on the licensing board to decide, along with all of the other rules.

[Joseph T. Burkeson, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Bill....you are obviously new to this.

This verbage for grandfathering has been in every licensing bill introduced by Parson since 2007.

There will be a public hearing on the bill and, on that day...presumably, the day it is released from committee and sent to the floor for a vote, if they approve....he has deleted the grandfathering clause.

New guys like you see it and say "it doesn't affect me" so they stay quiet. Then, when it is too late for you to object....as he did in 2007 and again last year....the grandfathering clause is gone.

In Missouri....they don't even use the good ol' KY, Billy. It's dry...and it hurts.

Secondly....you live in Illinois. There is no grandfathering provisions for out of state ... just in state. You don't even get the privilege of being raped like the newby in Missouri thinking he's grandfathered.

I oppose grandfathering completely, it fosters sloppy logic that dupes home inspectors into supporting corrupt licensing laws simply because they will be "protected". Grandfathering reduces honest opposition by otherwise free thinking inspectors and stifles open dialog. Fortunately here in Florida we fought hard for no grandfathering, when & if our bill is ever enacted each & every Florida home inspector will be required to pass an exam and sit for a 120 hour course. If you figure $50/hr class time the course will cost approximately $5,000, this hardship alone should help limit the number of wannabees entering our profession and reduce the explosion of home inspector schools which pop up after every licensing bill is signed.

Licensing truly sucks, but grandfathering is a cancer to our profession... Do whatever you can to prevent this travesty from happening in your state.

[James H. Bushart]

In our state...grandfathering is used as an opiate by the legislator presenting the bill.

Home inspectors thinking they will be grandfathered quietly go their way, trying not to make waves, only to find the grandfathering clause omitted from the final bill that goes to the floor for a vote.

By then...their cries of anguish go unheard.

Guess what? For the most part....the same people are falling for it every year. Duh.

[Gary L. Farnsworth]

Billy, same thing here in Kansas City. I live 4 miles from the state line, and have performed hundreds of inspections in Missoui, even though I live in Kansas. These states and their boards better get together and reciprocate their rules and regulations. May agents do business in Kansas and Missouri. Agents may have to select seperate inspectors for Kansas and Missouri. Agents also need to get together here in KC and voice their oppostions. Most will not know what will hit them come January 2010.

[Billy Boerner]

Gary have you contacted Parson's about this concern yet?

[James H. Bushart]

At $100 per inspection, each grandfathered newby is $4,000 out of my pocket from mentoring, alone. Possibly more, depending upon how much people are willing to pay in order to get a license. I don't see the licensing board going out of its way to actually undo something they did by design...just to help someone from out of state.

Do you?

I'm wondering how much we can collect from mentoring before Parson deletes the grandfathering provision this year.

[Billy Boerner]

Originally Posted by jbushart

At $100 per inspection, each grandfathered newby is $4,000 out of my pocket from mentoring, alone. Possibly more, depending upon how much people are willing to pay in order to get a license. I don't see the licensing board going out of its way to actually undo something they did by design...just to help someone from out of state.

Do you?

I'm wondering how much we can collect from mentoring before Parson deletes the grandfathering provision this year.

Requiring drive alongs did not fly in Oklahoma and I doubt it will here. If you ask me if this bill passes and it's required to have 50 drive along's as the bill currently reads MO will soon be under staffed when it comes to home inspectors. Next to nobody is going to pay $100 a drive along 50 times, the cost of school, the cost of E&O, and the cost of starting the business tools and whatever else just to enter the home inspection industry and be in the red for their first year to three years. Great for those who are grandfathered however only you will be left. Once your gone the profession will become a dead church in the state of MO if such requirements are put into place in my eyes.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by bboerner

Requiring drive alongs did not fly in Oklahoma and I doubt it will here. If you ask me if this bill passes and it's required to have 50 drive along's as the bill currently reads MO will soon be under staffed when it comes to home inspectors. Next to nobody is going to pay $100 a drive along 50 times, the cost of school, the cost of E&O, and the cost of starting the business tools and whatever else just to enter the home inspection industry and be in the red for their first year to three years. Great for those who are grandfathered however only you will be left. Once your gone the profession will become a dead church in the state of MO if such requirements are put into place in my eyes.

My dear friend...."understaffed" is the intent of those pushing the law. Fewer inspectors mean higher fees and less competition.

Don't worry...after a few months, the schools start spitting them out like lemmings, all offering their Russel Ray $49 home inspections. Ask the guys in New York.

But the newbies will have a choice...pay a mentor or pay a school. Money enough to go around for every special interest willing to sponsor the bill.