New Kansas home inspector Bill, HB 2260

[Buck Hartley, CMI]

Gary,

The test only COSTS $200.

[James H. Bushart]

How many of you guys have called your local television stations, today, to tell them the story of the Kansas House Bill that....while the state is shutting down health care program for the elderly and for children, wants to spend additional tax dollars to help realtors make bigger commissions from a bill that will put even more people out of work?

These kind of stories are airing every night. Let's get the truth out there in front of the voters.

Tell the reporter that unlike most industries....home inspectors are not asking for a bailout. All we want is the same consideration given to every other business in Kansas, and that is the ability to negotiate with our clients our own degree of liability and to determine, as every other businessman in Kansas, the degree of insurance we will carry.

The idea behind this bill is to put the rural inspector out of work...the part timer who cannot afford $10K in escrow. Does Kansas need higher state spending designed to put even MORE people out of work?

Film at eleven.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Jeff Vogan -

If I read the Bill right it also talks about misdemeanors. I think they're getting way out in left field on this FBI or KBI thing. They seem to think and act like we do the same things Realtors, Lenders, or Appraisers do.

You know that last year in Kansas, the used house commissioned salespeople passed an ACT like that on themselves. Mandatory fingerprinting and background checks - EXCEPT they GRANDFATHERED every licensed RE Agent in the state AND it only affects NEWBIES.

Maybe I'm just getting OLD, but this kinda crap is getting boring and when I hear some of these new guys talking about keeping out the crooks in our business, it makes me think I'm hanging around with a bunch of loonies OR psychological rejects from the CIA.

My ex-wifes Gynecologist did an abortion for a rape victim when it was still illegal (she was contemplating suicide). One of the doctors colleagues ratted him out. He lost his license for 2 years; was on probation for 3 years. That was about 30 years ago. Today he's had his license back for over 25 years, owns a very large property investment company AND was named OUTSTANDING doctor of the year by his fellow doctors 6 years ago.

Some of my best friends got busted after Vietnam selling pot in college. Today those guys are teachers, college professors, preachers, engineers.

One of my cousins neighbors got busted about 26 years ago helping his grandad bottle moonshine whiskey in the Ozarks. Today hes a Priest.

I can't think of his name (Delton Dunmire or ????), out in Harrisonville, Missouri was a Pilot in Korea. When he got back, the govt lost his pay records if I remember right. After not getting paid for months and with a wife and babies - he trucked over to the local bank, put his hand in his pocket - said this is a stick-up and robbed the bank. He went to jail.

After he got out another Vet gave him a job in a machine shop or ??? Delton invented several parts and patented them for use in Airplanes. Today if memory serves me right, hes been Mayor and hes a Multi-Millionaire and philanthropist.

Twice in my life I've had cops for room-mates. What a joke. They would bust people for pot, coke, booze, firearms - then often bring the stuff home and have a smoker for their buddies. OR bring home 17 year old teenie boppers to party with.

My point is simple - As a home inspector, I climb your roof; get in your crawlspace; look in your septic system, crawl down the length of your attic getting scratched alive with itch crap. When I'm in a house I'm mostly surrounded by a small army of people. What exactly are we protecting ANYBODY from???

In 32 years I've only heard of 2 cases where a home inspector stole something ANYWHERE in the country AND I've never heard of home inspectors mugging, raping, or otherwise harming a client PERIOD.

This is just another BS hose job by agents or some weinie inspector

[Brian E. Kelly]

http://www.btr.state.az.us/general/d...inary_info.asp
March 27, 2007
On or about October 30, 2006, Respondent was convicted of
A Class 6 Undesignated Felony. As of May 14, 2008 charge has been reduced to a misdemeanor and all probation requirements have been successfully met. Respondent has petitioned and received an early termination of probation by the Superior Court of the State of Arizona in Maricopa County. Therefore the Board of Technical Registration Terminates its concurrent probation order as of June 2, 2008.

This guy was a HI instructor here, and I believe an ASHI guy to boot.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Brian -

If I read this right the dude got busted for doing dope of some type.

For anybody that wants good reading - follow Brians post then on that page go to disciplinary actions on Home Inspectors. The pages are filled with things like:

"On or about September 13, 2004, Respondent’s inspection report failed to meet the Standards of Professional Practice for Arizona Home Inspectors by failing to adequately address the following areas: Failed to describe the inspection was done in accordance with the Standards of Professional Practice for Arizona Home Inspectors; report plumbing functional flow and drainage; and report on a heating and cooling source in each room"

SO, because this guy may have done it BUT forgot to write those things down in his report some whiny, wimp of a BUYER, SELLER or pissed off RE Agent complained AND ............................

Gosh, I can't wait to get licensed.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Gary -

In chatting with the SoP & Education Committee members in Kansas, they've had no meetings or participated in the rewriting of the Bill. Several of the Kansas Board Members say the same thing.

SO ..................... Who / Whom is doing this?

Not to be rude, BUT some of the language or rules are getting fruity. What you were pointing out in the Bill OR the language regarding misdemeanors OR of AUTOMATICALLY rejecting an applicant convicted of a FELONY ............ UNLESS the BOARD determines that ..........

As someone who has run construction crews for over 40 years, I try and think how many of the guys on one of my crews had made a mistake somewhere in their life and been arrested for something along the way that has absolutely nothing to do with his or her ability to do home inspections TODAY OR that was done 5 years, 10 years or 20 years and that mistake had been paid for years or decades in the past.

As home inspectors, I see certain less desirable, weaker or wimpy members of our clubs doing things to OURSELVES that even most other professions don't do to themselves. I usually think its because these widgets are using EVERY angle possible to fence themselves in AND fence others out.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Gary -

You've been a builder just like myself and many other members on this Board. In my few years in this business, when I've see something like what you brought up - Its usually someone doing the Bill writing thats got a close competitor that had some sort of run-in with the law often YEARS ago. This wazoo working on the Bill or City Ordinance, etc is trying a backdoor way to eliminate his competitor BUT by using an ordinanace OR law so he can't be accused of doing it himself .....

Bet money one of the HI mice putting the biil together for the RE Agents has that exact situation. His competitor kicks his ***, so ......

But when we throw this before the legislators, it sure sounds good. Like "We're protecting the public"; OR "For the Children", OR "For National Security", OR so "We can help identify THESE people".

Now lets move on to other STUFF. All the things in this Bill that will give the Bill Writer the ability to basically establish a restaint of trade, but LET the state law do it so he doesn't get his butt sued off.

Look at the training providers wording - It will cost anyone an arm and leg just to apply. $500 to the HI Board to review your app, AND in the proposed rules already written and posted on the KSINSPECTORS.org someone wants to make ALL education fall under the Kansas State Board of Regents (the folks governing colleges). Thats another $1,200 fee.

Humm ....... Wonder who / what hes trying to keep out on this one?

[Gary Farnsworth]

Then, If this bill goes through, I demand to have all five board members fingerprinted, and see their background checks also, along with the fingerprinting and background checks of all home inspection board committee members and educational providers, and of all who will need to pay all educational and registration fees and take the proctored tests. What is fair, is fair. Just because they are board members, they do not get free rides.

[David Moriconi]

lets make sure all the board members are finger printed FIRST

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Better YET - Kansas Freedom of Information Act / Public Records, etc.

Lets see WHO is paying the KAREI groups lobbyist this year and last since they were almost broke - according to their BoD members.

Lets see HOW MANY legislators got contributions from KAR or Realtors.

Lets see WHAT KAR's lobbyists records shows for expenditures.

Lets ASK someone like the civil liberties union OR Justice Department if its LEGAL to "RESTRICT our ability to CONTRACT with our clients". Thats what them telling us we can't limit our liability to under $$$$$$$$ is doing.

LETS under the Kansas Freedom of Information Act / Public Records, etc. pull displinary actions (the public portion) on Realtors for the past 3 yrs, and see whose done what to whom AND how many have been convicted of a MISDEMEANOR or FELONY of ANY KIND, etc.

If we're gonna dance, lets quit fooling around AND dance.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Better YET - Kansas Freedom of Information Act / Public Records, etc.

Lets see WHO is paying the KAREI groups lobbyist this year and last since they were almost broke - according to their BoD members.

Lets see HOW MANY legislators got contributions from KAR or Realtors.

Lets see WHAT KAR's lobbyists records shows for expenditures.

Lets ASK someone like the civil liberties union OR Justice Department if its LEGAL to "RESTRICT our ability to CONTRACT with our clients". Thats what them telling us we can't limit our liability to under $$$$$$$$ is doing.

LETS under the Kansas Freedom of Information Act / Public Records, etc. pull displinary actions (the public portion) on Realtors for the past 3 yrs, and see whose done what to whom AND how many have been convicted of a MISDEMEANOR or FELONY of ANY KIND, etc.

If we're gonna dance, lets quit fooling around AND dance.

Not enough time.

You gotta make a whole lot of noise...and get the media to help.

[David Moriconi]

Originally Posted by gromicko

HB 2260 has been set for hearing at 9:00 am on Monday the 9th at room 784 in the Docking building in Topeka.

Nick I think you time would be better spent at this meeting instead of the Board meeting you promised to attend.

What does the board have to discuss??? there's not a passed bill yet.

Come out and help stop this nonsense.

Anyone else agree???? speak up

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Brian -

If I read this right the dude got busted for doing dope of some type.

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You read something into it that was not there Dan. Second hand I heard it was theft.

But your assesment about the typical things one gets written up for was right on the money.

[Richard Fitzwater]

FINGERPRINTING SHOULD ONLY BE $74.99 SINCE THEY HAVE A LIMIT OF $75. Here in Texas we are required to use a new form Feb 1, 09 and E & O are required. Software updates are not always free and the time to reorganize comments has taken many days as well. Legislation says no additional cost to the inspectors......bs. Laws are made to be enforced so some make a lot of money.

[Paul Sabados]

......bs. Laws are made to be enforced so some make a lot of money.

Yep and in the name of consumer protection.