New Washington Legislation Submitted

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Thanks WENDY ,but I guess you have a very short memory you have said before you would stop following me and it seems to last for a short period and away you go .
You like to think you help a lot of people well I just had a look and you have made well over 5,000 posts and you have started where you are giving information and help to Home Inspectors 68 starting Posts.
I have made just over 3900 posts and where I have started and been giving information and help with 500 starting Posts.
As was said before Wendy you are a parisite who takes others information and becomes an instant expert.
You should be ashamed of your self your are like the empty wagon lots of noise but nothing inside .
Please leave me alone and I will do the same for you .
No reply required .

Roy Cooke

You're forgetting to include the number of posts you made before you got restarted, once...twice...how many times have you changed it so the count restarted?

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

The only person you have proved to be wrong wendy is yourself.

Explain how you follow the SOP and not mention WDO, we'd all be interested in that and how you, someone who has never conducted a Home Inspection has taken it upon herself to redefine the NACHI SOP/

The only thing you are right about is that you can do Home Inspections in Washington without an SPI License, the trouble is that the Inspection will not be in accordance with any recognized SOP and it will be totally worthless to the client because you cannot, now you tell us that you don't need to, mention WDO damage or conditions. Go ahead and do those kind of Inspections Wendy, you're probably qualified for them, but read this first:

http://www.nwrealtor.com/displaycomm...articlenbr=138

Lewis. Show me where the NACHI Standards of Practice requires WDO damage or conditions. I already showed you where it does not.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Peter,

I think we are arguing apples and oranges.

Your state requires a certain report from all of its licensed structural pest inspectors. Not home inspectors. It is the interpretation of some - and not all - Washington home inspectors that the SPI rules apply to them. Your state government has not published anything definitive to say otherwise.

In the absence of a state mandated SOP, a home inspector may choose any he wishes to use...just as you choose to issue a report consistent with that of a licensed SPI. No one is saying you are wrong to use it and, apparently, no one of consequence is disagreeing with those who choose not to.

This is common when governments intervene in business through legislation.

Where the state has failed in writing and enforcing a clear law, people like Lewis are turning to marketing (informing the consumer of the value of his report) which should be the final determining factor, anyway. Not the government.

So...before you Washingtonians decide to take a second plunge into the quicksand of laws and their interpretations...perhaps you might want to stick with controlling your own destinies through your own marketing strengths and let the government continue to deal with pot holes and stop signs and things it is good at.

You still miss the point of 2045 James, any report that mentions WDO IS Complete WDO Inspection, that's not opinion that's is the Law I can't make it any clearer to you than in my last Post :

"Any Report that Identifies damage or infestation by WDOs or, conditions conducive to damage or infestation by WDOs............must be a Complete WDO Inspection"

How complicated is that? the WSDA doesn't care if the inspector is a Home Inspector, a Pest Inspector, or an appraiser, Qny reprot referencing WDO Must Be a WDO Report.....2045 defines what a Complete WDO Report is and when it's required, 2035 says the inspector must be licensed, there is no need in either to specify what the intention of the original report was or who was doing it, when there's WDO it's a complete WDO Inspection, opinions and sh**house lawyers interpretations don't matter, what does matter is the inerpretation of the law by WSDA and the State of Washington, myself and several others have given you the States interpretation as it has been explained to us by WSDA Officials, and private attornies, you must really believe that more than 90% of the Home Inspectors in Washington are Stupid and that we are licensed when we don't need to be. I suggest you call Dr. Soumi, who's number and email is listed somewhere in this thread and tell him your interpretation, and then he can tell you his, and I'll bet the only difference between his and most of us who say the license is required will be just a few words, most of us have already argued with him repeatedly, using the same arguments you have. I didn't really understand the signifigance of 2045 until my attorney explained it and then what Soume had told me several times, made sense, I still think the law sucks, but you really do need the License to mention any thing WDO in your home inspection report.

Are you saying that I can give up my SPI license and perform my Inspections in accordance with the NACHI SOP and I don't need to mention WDO Damage, that would make the report pretty simple, but totally worthless, or are you saying I can mention them and not violate the COE?

So now Windy and the others can perform their HI's without a license and you will reimburse them for their fines and costs when WSDA catches them. Myself, being one of the stupid Inspectors here, I'll keep mine.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Lewis. Show me where the NACHI Standards of Practice requires WDO damage or conditions. I already showed you where it does not.

If after being a member of NACHI for more than a year you don't know where in the SOP it requires you to mention things like earth to wood contact, water leaks, rot, insect infestation, moisture damage, minimum clearances, imporper grade, and many more items relating to WDO then you really are totally hopeless Windy, but most of us have known that for quite some time.

[wforsyth]

THAT is NOT what it says Lewis!


"Any Report that Identifies damage or infestation by WDOs or, conditions conducive to damage or infestation by WDOs............must be a Complete WDO Inspection"

It's under the heading of Structural Wood Destroying organism Inspections correct?

It's stating that any wood destroying organism inspection report MUST be a COMPLETE SPI report, and follow the rules and guidelines therein.

I don't see how it could be much clearer than that.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

If after being a member of NACHI for more than a year you don't know where in the SOP it requires you to mention things like earth to wood contact, water leaks, rot, insect infestation, moisture damage, minimum clearances, imporper grade, and many more items relating to WDO then you really are totally hopeless Windy, but most of us have known that for quite some time.

I posted the SOP for you Lewis. It's not in there.

[Peter Doane]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

IF I was doing a report such as this (and I emphasize IF), then I would phrase it something like this:
Due to certain conditions encountered by the home inspector, that could potentially indicate conditions conducive to Wood Destroying Organisms, it is recommended that a Structural Pest Inspector be hired to evaluate the area below the sink in the kitchen. Since the home inspector is not a licensed Structural Pest Inspector, they are not allowed by law to comment on whether or not conditions exist that are conducive to Wood Destroying organisms, and therefore defers to a specialist in the field, a Structural Pest Inspector who will be able to help the client determine what conditions do or do not exist in this area.
Maybe you missed this?

Ahhhhhhh yes, defer it out. You will get the WTF email from the agent as soon as they read that.
Easiest solution is pay the $45.00, take the test and join the elite group of qualified SPI's Come on in,.. the water is warm,.. unless Stephen is in the pool then it might be something else.

[wforsyth]

1. Definitions and Scope

1.1. A Home inspection is a non-invasive visual examination of a residential dwelling, performed for a fee, which is designed to identify observed material defects within specific components of said dwelling. Components may include any combination of mechanical, structural, electrical, plumbing, or other essential systems or portions of the home, as identified and agreed to by the Client and Inspector, prior to the inspection process.

I. A home inspection is intended to assist in evaluation of the overall condition of the dwelling. The inspection is based on observation of the visible and apparent condition of the structure and its components on the date of the inspection and not the prediction of future conditions.

II. A home inspection will not reveal every concern that exists or ever could exist, but only those material defects observed on the day of the inspection.

1.2. A Material defect is a condition with a residential real property or any portion of it that would have a significant adverse impact on the value of the real property or that involves an unreasonable risk to people on the property. The fact that a structural element, system or subsystem is near, at or beyond the end of the normal useful life of such a structural element, system or subsystem is not by itself a material defect.
1.3. An Inspection report shall describe and identify in written format the inspected systems, structures, and components of the dwelling and shall identify material defects observed. Inspection reports may contain recommendations regarding conditions reported or recommendations for correction, monitoring or further evaluation by professionals, but this is not required.

2. Standards of Practice

2.1. Roof

I. The inspector shall inspect from ground level or eaves:

A. The roof covering.
B. The gutters.
C. The downspouts.
D. The vents, flashings, skylights, chimney and other roof penetrations.
E. The general structure of the roof from the readily accessible panels, doors or stairs.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Walk on any roof surface.
B. Predict the service life expectancy.
C. Inspect underground downspout diverter drainage pipes.
D. Remove snow, ice, debris or other conditions that prohibit the observation of the roof surfaces.
E. Inspect antennae, lightning arresters, or similar attachments.

2.2. Exterior

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The siding, flashing and trim.
B. All exterior doors, decks, stoops, steps, stairs, porches, railings, eaves, soffits and fascias.
C. And report as in need of repair any spacings between intermediate balusters, spindles, or rails for steps, stairways, balconies, and railings that permit the passage of an object greater than four inches in diameter.
D. A representative number of windows.
E. The vegetation, surface drainage and retaining walls when these are likely to adversely affect the structure.
F. And describe the exterior wall covering.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Inspect or operate screens, storm windows, shutters, awnings, fences, outbuildings, or exterior accent lighting.
B. Inspect items, including window and door flashings, which are not visible or readily accessible from the ground.
C. Inspect geological, geotechnical, hydrological and/or soil conditions.
D. Inspect recreational facilities.
E. Inspect seawalls, break-walls and docks.
F. Inspect erosion control and earth stabilization measures.
G. Inspect for safety type glass.
H. Inspect underground utilities.
I. Inspect underground items.
J. Inspect wells or springs.
K. Inspect solar systems.
L. Inspect swimming pools or spas.
M. Inspect septic systems or cesspools.
N. Inspect playground equipment.
O. Inspect sprinkler systems.
P. Inspect drain fields or drywells.
Q. Determine the integrity of the thermal window seals or damaged glass.

2.3. Basement, Foundation & Crawlspace

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The basement.
B. The foundation
C. The crawlspace.
D. The visible structural components.
E. Any present conditions or clear indications of active water penetration observed by the inspector.
F. And report any general indications of foundation movement that are observed by the inspector, such as but not limited to sheetrock cracks, brick cracks, out-of-square door frames or floor slopes.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Enter any crawlspaces that are not readily accessible or where entry could cause damage or pose a hazard to the inspector.
B. Move stored items or debris.
C. Operate sump pumps with inaccessible floats.
D. Identify size, spacing, span, location or determine adequacy of foundation bolting, bracing, joists, joist spans or support systems.
E. Provide any engineering or architectural service.
F. Report on the adequacy of any structural system or component.

2.4. Heating

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The heating system and describe the energy source and heating method using normal operating controls.
B. And report as in need of repair electric furnaces which do not operate.
C. And report if inspector deemed the furnace inaccessible.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Inspect or evaluate interiors of flues or chimneys, fire chambers, heat exchangers, humidifiers, dehumidifiers, electronic air filters, solar heating systems, solar heating systems or fuel tanks.
B. Inspect underground fuel tanks.
C. Determine the uniformity, temperature, flow, balance, distribution, size, capacity, BTU, or supply adequacy of the heating system.
D. Light or ignite pilot flames.
E. Activate heating, heat pump systems, or other heating systems when ambient temperatures or when other circumstances are not conducive to safe operation or may damage the equipment.
F. Override electronic thermostats.
G. Evaluate fuel quality.
H. Verify thermostat calibration, heat anticipation or automatic setbacks, timers, programs or clocks.

2.5. Cooling

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The central cooling equipment using normal operating controls.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Determine the uniformity, temperature, flow, balance, distribution, size, capacity, BTU, or supply adequacy of the cooling system.
B. Inspect window units, through-wall units, or electronic air filters.
C. Operate equipment or systems if exterior temperature is below 60 degrees Fahrenheit or when other circumstances are not conducive to safe operation or may damage the equipment.
D. Inspect or determine thermostat calibration, heat anticipation or automatic setbacks or clocks.
E. Examine electrical current, coolant fluids or gasses, or coolant leakage.

2.6. Plumbing

I. The inspector shall:

A. Verify the presence of and identify the location of the main water shutoff valve.
B. Inspect the water heating equipment, including combustion air, venting, connections, energy sources, seismic bracing, and verify the presence or absence of temperature-pressure relief valves and/or Watts 210 valves.
C. Flush toilets.
D. Run water in sinks, tubs, and showers.
E. Inspect the interior water supply including all fixtures and faucets.
F. Inspect the drain, waste and vent systems, including all fixtures.
G. Describe any visible fuel storage systems.
H. Inspect the drainage sump pumps testing sumps with accessible floats.
I. Inspect and describe the water supply, drain, waste and main fuel shut-off valves, as well as the location of the water main and main fuel shut-off valves.
J. Inspect and determine if the water supply is public or private.
K. Inspect and report as in need of repair deficiencies in the water supply by viewing the functional flow in two fixtures operated simultaneously.
L. Inspect and report as in need of repair deficiencies in installation and identification of hot and cold faucets.
M. Inspect and report as in need of repair mechanical drain-stops that are missing or do not operate if installed in sinks, lavatories and tubs.
N. Inspect and report as in need of repair commodes that have cracks in the ceramic material, are improperly mounted on the floor, leak, or have tank components which do not operate.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Light or ignite pilot flames.
B. Determine the size, temperature, age, life expectancy or adequacy of the water heater.
C. Inspect interiors of flues or chimneys, water softening or filtering systems, well pumps or tanks, safety or shut-of valves, floor drains, lawn sprinkler systems or fire sprinkler systems.
D. Determine the exact flow rate, volume, pressure, temperature, or adequacy of the water supply.
E. Determine the water quality or potability or the reliability of the water supply or source.
F. Open sealed plumbing access panels.
G. Inspect clothes washing machines or their connections.
H. Operate any main, branch or fixture valve.
I. Test shower pans, tub and shower surrounds or enclosures for leakage.
J. Evaluate the compliance with local or state conservation or energy standards, or the proper design or sizing of any water, waste or venting components, fixtures or piping.
K. Determine the effectiveness of anti-siphon, back-flow prevention or drain-stop devices.
L. Determine whether there are sufficient clean-outs for effective cleaning of drains.
M. Evaluate gas, liquid propane or oil storage tanks.
N. Inspect any private sewage waste disposal system or component of.
O. Inspect water treatment systems or water filters.
P. Inspect water storage tanks, pressure pumps or bladder tanks.
Q. Evaluate time to obtain hot water at fixtures, or perform testing of any kind to water heater elements.
R. Evaluate or determine the adequacy of combustion air.
S. Test, operate, open or close safety controls, manual stop valves and/or temperature or pressure relief valves.
T. Examine ancillary systems or components, such as, but not limited to, those relating to solar water heating, hot water circulation.

2.7. Electrical

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The service line.
B. The meter box.
C. The main disconnect.
D. And determine the rating of the service amperage.
E. Panels, breakers and fuses.
F. The service grounding and bonding.
H. A representative sampling of switches, receptacles, light fixtures, AFCI receptacles
I. And test all GFCI receptacles and GFCI circuit breakers observed and deemed to be GFCI's during the inspection.
I. And report the presence of solid conductor aluminum branch circuit wiring if readily visible.
J. And report on any GFCI-tested receptacles in which power is not present, polarity is incorrect, the receptacle is not grounded, is not secured to the wall, the cover is not in place, the ground fault circuit interrupter devices are not properly installed or do not operate properly, or evidence of arcing or excessive heat is present.
K. The service entrance conductors and the condition of their sheathing.
L. The ground fault circuit interrupters observed and deemed to be GFCI's during the inspection with a GFCI tester.
M. And describe the amperage rating of the service.
N. And report the absence of smoke detectors.
O. Service entrance cables and report as in need of repair deficiencies in the integrity of the insulation, drip loop, or separation of conductors at weatherheads and clearances.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Insert any tool, probe or device into the main panel, sub-panels, downstream panels, or electrical fixtures.
B. Operate electrical systems that are shut down.
C. Remove panel covers or dead front covers if not readily accessible.
D. Operate over current protection devices.
E. Operate non-accessible smoke detectors.
F. Measure or determine the amperage or voltage of the main service if not visibly labeled.
G. Inspect the alarm system and components.
H. Inspect the ancillary wiring or remote control devices.
I. Activate any electrical systems or branch circuits which are not energized.
J. Operate overload devices.
K. Inspect low voltage systems, electrical de-icing tapes, swimming pool wiring or any time-controlled devices.
L. Verify the continuity of the connected service ground.
M. Inspect private or emergency electrical supply sources, including but not limited to generators, windmills, photovoltaic solar collectors, or battery or electrical storage facility.
N. Inspect spark or lightning arrestors.
O. Conduct voltage drop calculations.
P. Determine the accuracy of breaker labeling.

2.8. Fireplace

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The fireplace, and open and close the damper door if readily accessible and operable.
B. Hearth extensions and other permanently installed components.
C. And report as in need of repair deficiencies in the lintel, hearth and material surrounding the fireplace, including clearance from combustible materials

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Inspect the flue or vent system.
B. Inspect the interior of chimneys or flues, fire doors or screens, seals or gaskets, or mantels.
C. Determine the need for a chimney sweep.
D. Operate gas fireplace inserts.
E. Light pilot flames.
F. Determine the appropriateness of such installation.
G. Inspect automatic fuel feed devices.
H. Inspect combustion and/or make-up air devices.
I. Inspect heat distribution assists whether gravity controlled or fan assisted.
J. Ignite or extinguish fires.
K. Determine draft characteristics.
L. Move fireplace inserts, stoves, or firebox contents.
M. Determine adequacy of draft, perform a smoke test or dismantle or remove any component.
N. Perform an NFPA inspection.

2.9. Attic, Ventilation & Insulation

I. The inspector shall inspect:

A. The insulation in unfinished spaces.
B. The ventilation of attic spaces.
C. Mechanical ventilation systems.
D. And report on the general absence or lack of insulation.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Enter the attic or unfinished spaces that are not readily accessible or where entry could cause damage or pose a safety hazard to the inspector in his or her opinion.
B. To move, touch, or disturb insulation.
C. To move, touch or disturb vapor retarders.
D. Break or otherwise damage the surface finish or weather seal on or around access panels and covers.
E. Identify the composition of or the exact R-value of insulation material.
F. Activate thermostatically operated fans.
G. Determine the types of materials used in insulation/wrapping of pipes, ducts, jackets, boilers, and wiring.
H. Determine adequacy of ventilation.

2.10. Doors, Windows & Interior

I. The inspector shall:

A. Open and close a representative number of doors and windows.
B. Inspect the walls, ceilings, steps, stairways, and railings.
C. Inspect garage doors and garage door openers by operating first by remote (if available) and then by the installed automatic door control.
D. And report as in need of repair any installed electronic sensors that are not operable or not installed at proper heights above the garage door.
E. And report as in need of repair any door locks or side ropes that have not been removed or disabled when garage door opener is in use.
F. And report as in need of repair any windows that are obviously fogged or display other evidence of broken seals.

II. The inspector is not required to:

A. Inspect paint, wallpaper, window treatments or finish treatments.
B. Inspect central vacuum systems.
C. Inspect safety glazing.
D. Inspect security systems or components.
E. Evaluate the fastening of countertops, cabinets, sink tops and fixtures, or firewall compromises.
F. Move furniture, stored items, or any coverings like carpets or rugs in order to inspect the concealed floor structure.
G. Move drop ceiling tiles.
H. Inspect or move any household appliances..
I. Inspect or operate equipment housed in the garage except as otherwise noted.
J. Verify or certify safe operation of any auto reverse or related safety function of a garage door.
K. Operate or evaluate security bar release and opening mechanisms, whether interior or exterior, including compliance with local, state, or federal standards.
L. Operate any system, appliance or component that requires the use of special keys, codes, combinations, or devices.
M. Operate or evaluate self-cleaning oven cycles, tilt guards/latches or signal lights.
N. Inspect microwave ovens or test leakage from microwave ovens.
O. Operate or examine any sauna, steam-jenny, kiln, toaster, ice-maker, coffee-maker, can-opener, bread-warmer, blender, instant hot water dispenser, or other small, ancillary devices.
P. Inspect elevators.
Q. Inspect remote controls.
R. Inspect appliances.
S. Inspect items not permanently installed.
T. Examine or operate any above-ground, movable, freestanding, or otherwise non-permanently installed pool/spa, recreational equipment or self-contained equipment.
U. Come into contact with any pool or spa water in order to determine the system structure or components.
V. Determine the adequacy of spa jet water force or bubble effect.
W. Determine the structural integrity or leakage of a pool or spa.

3. Limitations, Exceptions & Exclusions

3.1. Limitations:

I. An inspection is not technically exhaustive.
II. An inspection will not identify concealed or latent defects.
III. An inspection will not deal with aesthetic concerns or what could be deemed matters of taste, cosmetic, etc.
IV. An inspection will not determine the suitability of the property for any use.
V. An inspection does not determine the market value of the property or its marketability.
VI. An inspection does not determine the advisability or inadvisability of the purchase of the inspected property.
VII. An inspection does not determine the life expectancy of the property or any components or systems therein.
VIII. An inspection does not include items not permanently installed.
IX. These Standards of Practice apply only to homes with four or fewer dwelling units.

3.2. Exclusions:

I. The inspectors are not required to determine:

A. Property boundary lines or encroachments.
B. The condition of any component or system that is not readily accessible.
C. The service life expectancy of any component or system.
D. The size, capacity, BTU, performance, or efficiency of any component or system.
E. The cause or reason of any condition.
F. The cause for the need of repair or replacement of any system or component.
G. Future conditions.
H. The compliance with codes or regulations.
I. The presence of evidence of rodents, animals or insects.
J. The presence of mold, mildew or fungus.
K. The presence of air-borne hazards.
L. The presence of birds.
M. The presence of other flora or fauna.
N. The air quality.
O. The existence of asbestos.
P. The existence of environmental hazards.
Q. The existence of electro-magnetic fields.
R. The presence of hazardous materials including, but not limited to, the presence of lead in paint.
S. Any hazardous waste conditions.
T. Any manufacturer recalls or conformance with manufacturer installation or any information included in the consumer protection bulletin.
U. Operating costs of systems.
V. Replacement or repair cost estimates.
W. The acoustical properties of any systems.
X. Estimates of how much it will cost to run any given system.

II. The inspectors are not required to operate:

A. Any system that is shut down.
B. Any system that does not function properly.
C. Or evaluate low voltage electrical systems such as, but not limited to:
1. Phone lines.
2. Cable lines.
3. Antennae.
4. Lights.
5. Remote controls.
D. Any system that does not turn on with the use of normal operating controls.
E. Any shut off valves or manual stop valves.
F. Any electrical disconnect or over current protection devices.
G. Any alarm systems.
H. Moisture meters, gas detectors or similar equipment.

III. The inspectors are not required to:

A. Move any personal items or other obstructions, such as, but not limited to:

1. Throw rugs.
2. Furniture.
3. Floor or wall coverings.
4. Ceiling tiles
5. Window coverings.
6. Equipment.
7. Plants.
8. Ice.
9. Debris.
10. Snow.
11. Water.
12. Dirt.
13. Foliage.
14. Pets

B. Dismantle, open, or uncover any system or component.
C. Enter or access any area which may, in the opinion of the inspector, to be unsafe or risk personal safety.
D. Enter crawlspaces or other areas that are unsafe or not readily accessible.
E. Inspect underground items such as, but not limited to, underground storage tanks or other indications of their presence, whether abandoned or actively used.
F. Do anything which, in the inspector's opinion, is likely to be unsafe or dangerous to the inspector or others or damage property, such as, but not limited to, walking on roof surfaces, climbing ladders, entering attic spaces or negotiating with dogs.
G. Inspect decorative items.
H. Inspect common elements or areas in multi-unit housing.
I. Inspect intercoms, speaker systems, radio-controlled, security devices or lawn irrigation systems.
J. Offer guarantees or warranties.
K. Offer or perform any engineering services.
L. Offer or perform any trade or professional service other than home inspection.
M. Research the history of the property, report on its potential for alteration, modification, extendibility, or its suitability for a specific or proposed use for occupancy.
N. Determine the age of construction or installation of any system structure, or component of a building, or differentiate between original construction or subsequent additions, improvements, renovations or replacements thereto.
O. Determine the insurability of a property.
P. Perform or offer Phase 1 environmental audits.
Q. Inspect on any system or component which is not included in these standards.

4. Glossary of Terms

4.1. Accessible: Can be approached or entered by the inspector safely, without difficulty, fear or danger.
4.2. Activate: To turn on, supply power, or enable systems, equipment, or devices to become active by normal operating controls. Examples include turning on the gas or water supply valves to the fixtures and appliances and activating electrical breakers or fuses.
4.3. Adversely Affect: Constitute, or potentially constitute, a negative or destructive impact.
4.4. Alarm System: Warning devices, installed or free-standing, including but not limited to: Carbon monoxide detectors, flue gas and other spillage detectors, security equipment, ejector pumps and smoke alarms.
4.5. Appliance: A household device operated by use of electricity or gas. Not included in this definition are components covered under central heating, central cooling or plumbing.
4.6. Architectural Service: Any practice involving the art and science of building design for construction of any structure or grouping of structures and the use of space within and surrounding the structures or the design, design development, preparation of construction contract documents, and administration of the construction contract.
4.7. Component: A permanently installed or attached fixture, element or part of a system.
4.8. Condition: The visible and conspicuous state of being of an object.
4.9. Crawlspace: The area within the confines of the foundation and between the ground and the underside of the lowest floor structural component.
4.10. Decorative: Ornamental; not required for the operation of essential systems and components of a home.
4.11. Describe: Report in writing a system or component by its type, or other observed characteristics, to distinguish it from other components used for the same purpose.
4.12. Determine: To arrive at an opinion or conclusion pursuant to examination.
4.13. Dismantle: To open, take apart or remove any component, device or piece that would not typically be opened, taken apart or removed by an ordinary occupant.
4.14. Engineering Service: Any professional service or creative work requiring engineering education, training, and experience and the application of special knowledge of the mathematical, physical and engineering sciences to such professional service or creative work as consultation, investigation, evaluation, planning, design and supervision of construction for the purpose of assuring compliance with the specifications and design, in conjunction with structures, buildings, machines, equipment, works or processes.
4.15. Enter: To go into an area to observe visible components.
4.16. Evaluate: To assess the systems, structures or components of a dwelling.
4.17. Examine: To visually look. See Inspect.
4.18. Foundation: The base upon which the structure or wall rests; usually masonry, concrete, or stone, and generally partially underground.
4.19. Function: The action for which an item, component, or system is specially fitted or used or for which an item, component or system exists; to be in action or perform a task.
4.20. Functional: Performing, or able to perform, a function.
4.21. Home Inspection: The process by which an inspector visually examines the readily accessible systems and components of a home and operates those systems and components utilizing these Standards of Practice as a guideline.
4.22. Household Appliances: Kitchen and laundry appliances, room air conditioners, and similar appliances.
4.23. Inspect: To visually look at readily accessible systems and components safely, using normal operating controls and accessing readily accessible panels and areas in accordance with these Standards of Practice.

4.24. Inspected Property: The readily accessible areas of the buildings, site, items, components, and systems included in the inspection.
4.25. Inspector: One who performs a real estate inspection.
4.26. Installed: Attached or connected such that the installed item requires tool for removal.
4.27. Material Defect: Refer to section 1.2.
4.28. Normal Operating Controls: Devices such as thermostats that would be operated by ordinary occupants which require no specialized skill or knowledge.
4.29. Observe: To see through visually directed attention.
4.30. Operate: To cause systems to function or turn on with normal operating controls.
4.31. Readily Accessible: An item or component is readily accessible if, in the judgment of the inspector, it is capable of being safely observed without movement of obstacles, detachment or disengagement of connecting or securing devices, or other unsafe or difficult procedures to gain access.
4.32. Recreational Facilities: Spas, saunas, steam baths, swimming pools, tennis courts, playground equipment, and other exercise, entertainment or athletic facilities.
4.33. Report: A written communication (possibly including digital images) of any material defects seen during the inspection.
4.34. Representative Number: A sufficient number to serve as a typical or characteristic example of the item(s) inspected.
4.35. Safety Glazing: Tempered glass, laminated glass, or rigid plastic.
4.36. Shut Down: Turned off, unplugged, inactive, not in service, not operational, etc.
4.37. Structural Component: A component which supports non-variable forces or weights (dead loads) and variable forces or weights (live loads).
4.38. System: An assembly of various components to function as a whole.
4.39. Technically Exhaustive: A comprehensive and detailed examination beyond the scope of a real estate home inspection which would involve or include, but would not be limited to: dismantling, specialized knowledge or training, special equipment, measurements, calculations, testing, research, analysis or other means.
4.40. Unsafe: A condition in a readily accessible, installed system or component which is judged to be a significant risk of personal injury during normal, day-to-day use. The risk may be due to damage, deterioration, improper installation or a change in accepted residential construction standards.
4.41. Verify: To confirm or substantiate.

The aforementioned terms are found within the SOP. Visit NACHI's full Glossary.

[wforsyth]

3.2. Exclusions: I. The inspectors are not required to determine: A. Property boundary lines or encroachments.
B. The condition of any component or system that is not readily accessible.
C. The service life expectancy of any component or system.
D. The size, capacity, BTU, performance, or efficiency of any component or system.
E. The cause or reason of any condition.
F. The cause for the need of repair or replacement of any system or component.
G. Future conditions.
H. The compliance with codes or regulations.
I. The presence of evidence of rodents, animals or insects.
J. The presence of mold, mildew or fungus.
K. The presence of air-borne hazards.
L. The presence of birds.
M. The presence of other flora or fauna.

[wforsyth]

Originally Posted by pdoane

Ahhhhhhh yes, defer it out. You will get the WTF email from the agent as soon as they read that.
Easiest solution is pay the $45.00, take the test and join the elite group of qualified SPI's Come on in,.. the water is warm,.. unless Stephen is in the pool then it might be something else.

Not true Peter (well, not sure about the part about Stephen). If I defer it out, I am not ignoring it, I am not over killing it, I am simply sending it to the person who ought to have it.

This is exactly how I wrote up New York inspections for another inspector. NEW YORK who seems to have very well-defined laws about home inspection.

Every single report I wrote got high compliments from both the inspector and the clients.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

Are you saying that I can give up my SPI license and perform my Inspections in accordance with the NACHI SOP and I don't need to mention WDO Damage, that would make the report pretty simple, but totally worthless, or are you saying I can mention them and not violate the COE?

I cannot legally, in a report, site the existance of mold. I am not a specialist and what I think could be mold could be something else. Accordingly, when I come across something I suspect to be mold I report it as a substance "consistent with what could possibly be mold" and defer to a specialist for further evaluation.

Again, if I am inspecting a 1950s home with a white/grey material covering steam pipes that is consistent with asbestos...I am not qualified to report it as asbestos. If I were a licensed lab or remediator, I could. Since I am not, my report must be limited to the discovery of a substance "consistent with what could be asbestos" and defer to a specialist for further evaluation.

If I were in Washington, I feel I could do the same thing regarding WDO. If I were a licensed SPI, my report would address my finding mold. If I were not licensed, I would report a substance that could be mold, but recommend further evaluation.

It is evident from your law that any inspection done strictly for the purpose of identifying WDOs be written in a certain manner by those licensed to do so. Home inspectors who are not licensed would get in trouble for identifying "mold", or stating specifically in their report that certain conditions might be conducive for mold. This, IMO, is what your law is stating.

Nothing provided, thus far, proves otherwise.

[Harold E. Miller]

James Bushart
Have you read this WSDA document? (attached in PDF)

Here is an excerpt;

"The financial responsibility aspect of becoming a home inspector cannot be overstated. Yes, the Washington State Department of Agriculture (WSDA) requires you to obtain financial coverage for the pest inspection part of your inspections"

What else do you want? ........................Eggs in you beer?

Have you contacted Dr Soumi yet? This whole argument would be over the moment you spent some time corresponding with someone that can rattle the WACs and RCWs off of their head.

I don't think you are going to get the answers you are looking for from us regular guys here on the NACHI board. We are not legislators, attorneys, department heads, directors, etc. etc.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I cannot legally, in a report, site the existance of mold. I am not a specialist and what I think could be mold could be something else. Accordingly, when I come across something I suspect to be mold I report it as a substance "consistent with what could possibly be mold" and defer to a specialist for further evaluation.

Again, if I am inspecting a 1950s home with a white/grey material covering steam pipes that is consistent with asbestos...I am not qualified to report it as asbestos. If I were a licensed lab or remediator, I could. Since I am not, my report must be limited to the discovery of a substance "consistent with what could be asbestos" and defer to a specialist for further evaluation.

If I were in Washington, I feel I could do the same thing regarding WDO. If I were a licensed SPI, my report would address my finding mold. If I were not licensed, I would report a substance that could be mold, but recommend further evaluation.

It is evident from your law that any inspection done strictly for the purpose of identifying WDOs be written in a certain manner by those licensed to do so. Home inspectors who are not licensed would get in trouble for identifying "mold", or stating specifically in their report that certain conditions might be conducive for mold. This, IMO, is what your law is stating.

Nothing provided, thus far, proves otherwise.

In Washington Mold is not considered a WDO and only the conditions that would be conducive to WDO would be reported. As soon as WDO or conducive conditions are found any report becomes a Complete WDO Inspection and the WDO needs to be Identified, that why they require us to be SPI's.

In Washington an inspector does not have to call WDO Items conducive conditions, as soon as you call it something like improper grade, a water leak under a sink, wood in contact with ground, etc. you have reported a WDO Conducive Condition whether you call it that or not,

I like you way better, but regretably here things are different, if you were here James you'd have you SPI and you'd ***** about it like the rest of us, its hard to understand their reasoning in the Law, but it is the Law, we're not stupid James, but most of us obey the Law.

Where you are confused is where you keep saying a Report done specifically for WDO, that's not a Complete WDO Inspection, again, any Report that mentions WDO IS a Complete WDO Inspection and a License is required. In Misouri where you don't Identify Mold or WDO by name is different than here where once WDO is found it must be Identified, we don't recommend what treatment or repairs, we refer it to Pest Companies that do that......hows that for a stupid law, we already are required to do that by our SOP's

How would you word your explanation for the condition in the picture that Peter posted? I know you wouldn't not mention it out of duty to your client, so how would you word your report and not violate the Law? Be careful

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by lcapaul

How would you word your explanation for the condition in the picture that Peter posted? I know you wouldn't not mention it out of duty to your client, so how would you word your report and not violate the Law? Be careful

Floor joists appear to be damaged and weakened. (See photograph.) Recommend that a licensed contractor be hired to replace or repair, as necessary.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Floor joists appear to be damaged and weakened. (See photograph.) Recommend that a licensed contractor be hired to replace or repair, as necessary.

Excellent James, now try a water leak under a sink or reverse grade at the foundation or any of these

a) Earth in direct contact with wood or inadequate clearance between earth and any wood or material subject to damage from moisture.
(b) Vegetation, in direct contact with the exterior of a structure, which may contribute to moisture or damage by WDOs.
(c) Restricted or nonfunctioning gutter systems.
(d) Conducive debris in substructures.
(e) Bare or unimproved ground in substructures.
(f) Standing water or evidence of seasonal standing water in a substructure.
(g) Failed or missing caulk or grout at water splash areas.
(h) Moisture from plumbing leaks, lack of ventilation, or other sources that may contribute to damage by WDOs

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