New Washington Legislation Submitted

[wforsyth]

Oh. And the inspector didn't have a license. Period. And they let him go back to work.
Sleep on that.

[wforsyth]

I'm real sure your opinion is going to get the DOL director to give up her position overseeing all these professions.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by hmiller

No waste of time or money really, when you stop to consider that alot of realtors I work with have blackballed those not in compliance with the SPI laws. Bottomline is the SPI licensed is a marketing tool I use to my advantage, and I know it has made me a better inspector, than I would have been without the SPI training. I enjoy almost 100K in gross revenues every year. Can you say that?

The reason many Realtors are "blackballing" Inspectors without an SPI License is mostly because of the Letter WSDA sent out and the word getting around from many licensed Inspectors about the requirement. I've posted this letter before , here it is again.

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Real Estate Licensees – Please Take Note


The Washington State Department of Agriculture (WSDA) is receiving numerous complaints from homebuyers about unlicensed and inexperienced structural pest inspectors. Many of these complaints concern inspectors that some of you are recommending to your clients. A state law, designed to protect consumers, is very clear: anyone inspecting properties for wood destroying organisms, damage, or conditions leading to these pests must be licensed by WSDA as a Structural Pest Inspector (SPI).

Virtually all home inspectors report on one or more of these problems and require the SPI license. For example, if a home inspection report mentions leaky pipes, plugged gutters, poor ventilation or rot (damage), the inspector has performed a structural pest inspection. State law requires that the inspection be thorough and accurate and a readily visible Inspection Control Number (ICN) be assigned to it. If an ICN is not on the inspection report, it cannot legally be used for a real estate transaction.

By referring unlicensed inspectors to prospective homebuyers or by accepting an illegal inspection report, you place yourself in a potentially litigious situation. Don’t add this liability to yourself or your business.

The bottom line:

·Inform your clients that most, if not all, “home inspections” will include elements of a structural pest inspection and must be done by a WSDA licensed inspector.
·Don’t recommend inspectors unless you know them to be a properly licensed SPI. It is illegal and unethical to do otherwise. After all, would you hire an unlicensed, uninsured inspector for your own home?
·Better yet, direct clients to WSDA’s website listing of SPIs and let them choose their own inspector. This can be found at:

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Licensing...Inspectors.htm

WSDA-licensed inspectors, at the very least, have passed an exam, licensed their
company, and provided WSDA with proof of financial coverage.

·Never accept an inspection report for a real estate transaction unless there is an ICN assigned to it. ICNs must be placed in the upper third of the report’s front page and have the following format: NNNNLLNNN, where N is a number and L is a letter.
·Put the liability where it belongs – on the inspector, not on you, your client or your broker.

If you have questions about structural pest inspections, please contact Dr. Dan Suomi at 360.902.2044 or via email at dsuomi@agr.wa.gov.



Good ol'e Dr. Dan.

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

Oh. And the inspector didn't have a license. Period. And they let him go back to work.
Sleep on that.

Show us some proof Wendy, an Inspector was fined and suspended for not having a license, and then was allowed to return to doing illegal inspections, I'm sure Dr. Soumi, the guy who is in charge of the program, would be very interested in that, just as he was about your 3 Court Cases.

We're still waiting for you to tell us what has changed in the WAC's and RCW's that you said have been changed in the past few months, in fact you're about a year behind in proving any of your stories.

As far as the Director of the DOL listening to my opinions, I state them as opinions, and I really don't expect her to listen. I'm sure she will be much more interested in your claim of sexual discrimination by the good old boys, and how it is so terrible that we believe in following the law, even if we don't like it, and how we discriminate against those who don't regardless of gender

And my favorite of the Day, Mold is an environmental hazard. it is present in soil, so therefore a Home Inspector will no longer need to report on things like Soil to Wood contact........I really like that.

[wforsyth]

Yes, and it is serious misinformation which is why the control of home inspectors and the WDO/Pest issue is going to be taken over by the department of licensing, and away from the people like Dr.Suomi who are in the business of pest control and have a special interest in it.

You talk about conflict of interest. Please tell me why you continually ignore the conflict of interest inherent in having a man who runs a Pest company overseeing Home Inspectors and insisting that they take on all the liability that should be taken on by his own profession?

[wforsyth]

You are treading a fine line Lewis my non-Washington State voter friend.
Sadly for you, I already have a company on the case researching everything posted on the net about me that is libelous and slanderous and has malintent and lack of good faith. I really doubt Dr.Suomi and others want to be drug into your nasty little libel/slander case and are probably not going to be very happy at being drug into court to testify as to your statements to them. You can laugh, not believe me, whatever, but it is real and it is going to happen.

You may have seen them on the news the other night? They are very, very, serious about their work Lewis and very, very thorough.

You have better be extremely careful about whatever misinformation you are giving to Dr.Suomi and others, because it will most definitely come back to bite you in the ***.

Oh, and I don't owe YOU anything Lewis. You're mindless little pantywaiste who doesn't have enough work in his own state to occupy him so he comes and sticks his nose in our business.

[wforsyth]

(o) Wood destroying organism: Insects or fungi that will consume, excavate, develop in, or otherwise modify the integrity of wood or wood products. For the purposes of this section, WDOs include, but are not limited to, carpenter ants, moisture ants, subterranean termites, dampwood termites, beetles in the family Anobiidae, and wood decay fungi (wood rot).

http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/pesticides/docs/wdorules.pdf

Study...study...study Lewis.....

[wforsyth]

Liar. Duplicate post my ***. It's already saved my friend. Already saved. Nice try though.

[wforsyth]

You mean you heard of One case, how about the three cases you mentioned last year that inpsectors took to court proving that they didn't need an SPI License.

The Inspector you "heard about" most likely committed an error on his/her report, or missed something that was brought up in a complaint, the usual punishment for that is a fine and a short suspension, but if the "Inspector" had no license, he would not be allowed to conduct inspections until he got one, caught again he could be fined again and have his business license suspended or revoked.

Are you volunteering to be a Test Case? A list of Inspectors from your area could be easily sent to the WSDA for comparison to their List of Licensed Inspectors, but then they'd probably have to run a sting to prove that someone was conducting inspections without an SPI, you could easily have your day in Court Wendy, just ask for it.

You should give up posting here until you take the SPI Exam, Study, Study, Study, you've already missed one multiple choice question.
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Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Thomas Jefferson




Lewis Capaul NACHI ID# 05060692
Snowy Mountain Home Inspection
Cheney, WA
WSDA License# 72554
snowymtn@verizon.net
www.snowymountainhomeinspection.com

[wforsyth]

Inspector bother to search the WSDA Site for licensing requirements, if

you call DOL they will tell you that there are no requirements other than

a business license to be a Home Inspector, hopefully this Bill, if passed

will fix that.

I'm really going to pi$$ off some of the unlicensed inspectors soon, I

just learned that Press Releases can help increase my website rankining,

what better Press Release could there be than to remind Home Buyers and

Realtors of the WSDA Requirements for Home Inspectors in Washington?
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Wow....two sides to every story isn't there Lewis?

[lcapaul]

Originally Posted by wforsyth

http://agr.wa.gov/pestfert/pesticides/docs/wdorules.pdf

Study...study...study Lewis.....

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STATE OF WASHINGTON
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
P.O. Box 42560 • Olympia, Washington 98504-2560 • (360) 902-1800
GUIDANCE DOCUMENT FOR STRUCTURAL PEST INSPECTORS
Mold Reporting Requirements
Recently, growth of mold in buildings has become the focus of a major public health
debate. Molds are naturally occurring microorganisms that exist in a wide range of
environments. Numerous species have been identified. All types of mold require three
things to develop – moisture, nutrients, and a suitable place to grow. Typically, mold
utilizes spores to reproduce and these can be found nearly everywhere. Mold may
even develop indoors on wood, paper, or drywall – wherever suitable moisture is
present.
What responsibility do you, as a licensed Washington State Department of Agriculture
(WSDA) structural pest inspector, have to report mold during a wood destroying
organism (WDO) inspection? Washington State law requires that you report the
presence of, and damage by, WDOs. Mold, according to authorities such as Dr. Jeff
Morrell, Oregon State University Professor of Forest Products, is not a WDO but rather,
a wood inhabiting organism that does not cause structural damage. Reporting on the
presence of organisms other than WDOs is not required.
However, structural pest inspectors must also report the conducive conditions leading to
WDO development. Moreover, conditions such as excessive moisture from plumbing
leaks, lack of ventilation, or poor drainage, may result in the development of mold. The
WSDA only requires that you report conducive conditions that are present.
The rules governing structural pest inspections, found in the Washington Administrative
Code (WAC) 16-228-2005 through WAC 16-228-2060, are minimum guidelines for
inspectors to follow. Additional observations or recommendations, including reporting
on the presence or absence of mold, are left to the discretion of the inspector. If you
are not confident in your ability to report on mold in buildings, leave those assessments
to a specialist who is trained in this subject.
Additional information about mold is available from the U.S. Environmental Protection
Agency at the following website:
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/molds/moldguide.html
Questions on licensing and reporting requirements for structural pest inspectors can be
directed to the WSDA at 877.301.4555.
March, 2003

http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/docs/moldguidance.pdf


Study Wendy, Mold according to the WSDA is not a WDO and doesn't need to be reported, only the conditions conducive to WDO infestation and Wood decay fungi (wood rot) is not mold, it is a WDO, now you've missed two.

Once again Wendy you demonstrate your total lack of knowledge about the subject, no wonder you don't have a license.

The duplicate post was the same one that I posted with Soumi's letter to Washington State Realtors, if you saved it you have two copies,

I don't need to give any misinformation to the WSDA Wendy, just a suggestion that they use HI Association members lists to compare with their list of SPI licensee's, and then investigate the Inspectors Websites, and records to whether or not they are performing inspections illegally, no names needed, you're not the only one that I believe should be required to become licensed or to get out of the HI business. there's around 20 just in the Spokane area, one of them is your good buddy who you told that he didn't need an SPI license, more Wendy misinformation.

Your understanding of Libel and and slander is no greater than your understanding of any other legal matter that you have claimed expertise at, the truth is never Libel or Slander.

No you don't owe me, or anyone else on this board anything Wendy, that's why so many of us believe you are full of crap, you make wild accusations, make believe stories, fictional court cases, and many other fabrications and yet never provide any proof of your "facts".

As far as me doing business in Washington the last time I looked this was still America and a person can do business in any State he likes, my Washington Business is legally licensed and insured to perform Home Inspections to NACHI Standards and Washington State Law, is yours?

I like your name calling Wendy, it makes so much sense to call me names when you're threatening to sue me for slander and libel, another demonstration of your fine legal mind. You're a joke Wendy, a sad joke, but a joke none the less.

[wforsyth]

What responsibility do you, as a licensed Washington State Department of Agriculture
(WSDA) structural pest inspector, have to report mold during a wood destroying
organism (WDO) inspection?
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Wow Lewis! You're right! If you are a Structural Pest Inspector, you have to follow all of those things that are in that document. Good job!

Also, namecalling is not the point in a lawsuit. It's making false statements about another person's business or life which could cause them to lose financial gain.

That I have not done, and you have, and it's all saved on disk.

Once again. Nice try. I'm not going to have to do anything. The group I've hired actually pursues and takes whatever appropriate action necessary to compel the opposing party to stop.

[wforsyth]

Lewis:Are you volunteering to be a Test Case? A list of Inspectors from your area could be easily sent to the WSDA for comparison to their List of Licensed Inspectors, but then they'd probably have to run a sting to prove that someone was conducting inspections without an SPI, you could easily have your day in Court Wendy, just ask for it.

This is the key phrase here Lewis.

[wforsyth]

Now that you've posted the guidelines for Structural Pest Inspectors, please direct us to the Washington State Law that legally requires Home Inspectors to the SPI's. Not Suomi and his bunch saying that Home Inspectors must. The law.

[wforsyth]

I don't need to give any misinformation to the WSDA Wendy, just a suggestion that they use HI Association members lists to compare with their list of SPI licensee's, and then investigate the Inspectors Websites, and records to whether or not they are performing inspections illegally, no names needed, you're not the only one that I believe should be required to become licensed or to get out of the HI business. there's around 20 just in the Spokane area, one of them is your good buddy who you told that he didn't need an SPI license, more Wendy misinformation.

1)What makes you think they'll listen to an out of stater?
2)If this law was so enforceable, why aren't all those people you mentioned being prosecuted as we speak? I'm curious as to the answer. I am sure that Dr.Suomi is just as capable of comparing things as you are.
3)Making suggestions like that can get you in alot of trouble when soon the laws will be changing and like it or not, the WDO subject will be changed radically. Interfering with a competitor's ability to make a living is rather frowned upon, and tends to ruin one's credibility.