New wind mitigation inspection form and proposed rule changes released by FL OIR.

[John Shishilla]

Originally Posted by rmurphy1

I especially am fond of the part where pictures will be required for items 1 through 9 - Item 8 is SWR - I would like for them to explain how they expect to get a picture of this!

I take them all the time, just look for exposed SWR. The right angle will give you a reflection. There are a couple of other tricks too.

[Jose F. Uz]

All good points but let me bring everyone somewhat up to speed.

What’s been going on for a year now is simple, once the MSFH funding was exhausted in June 2008 the WCE's went out on a mission to monopolize the private market given there new found millions courtesy of our tax dollars. The approach was basically to have the form changed to benefit them while putting unfair restriction on all other professional in our State.

I spearheaded a movement last December with the FES (Fl engineering society) the Florida *** of consulting engineers, several firms involved in the inspection market which are also Nachi members and several attorneys. The result was that everything was put on hold, and the OIR asked us to submit proposed forms and we did, along with ideas on proper credentials and acceptable ways to enforce the existing laws to ensure that those bad and fraudulent inspectors would be prosecuted. Obviously they hang there hats on the amount of faulty bad inspections in the market and use that excuse to monopolize and infringe on our constitutional right to work rather than just enforce the laws that are already in place.

All of our ideas and proposals went on death ears, it is obvious to us that the idea was to make us believe we were actually going to play a roll in some fashion and our ideas would be respectfully considered and discussed, none of this happened.

In the mean time for those who may not be aware, the WCE's have taken a different approach. They have gone directly to the underwriters and lobbied using whatever scare tactics and unjustly obtain influence and financial strength obtained courtesy of MSFH. The result is that now more and more of the underwriters in Florida are giving these WCE firms exclusive rights to inspect and therefore discriminating upon those which are allowed by law to perform these inspections. Furthermore; they get away with this unethical manner of conducting business by stating that the insurance company will pay for the inspection so therefore since its there money they get to choose the inspector. This is wrong, because for one, if anyone thinks that the cost of the inspection is not going to be built into the premium and thus the homeowner ultimately is going to pay for it regardless I have a bridge to sell them. Besides the infringement on our constitutional and legal rights as well as the violation of anti-trust laws to protect industry from this kind of behavior which are being violated, it is also a conflict of interest since the purpose of the inspection is for the issuance of credits or deductions and being that the inspector is a direct contractor of and works for the entity that is supposed to give those discounts to the insured the inherited implications are of a conflict.

Then you have a $60,000,000 contract that Citizens a State subsidized entity with tax dollars gave behind closed doors in back room negotiations without a competitive bidding process to one single firm which is entrusted to check up on and police there competitors; does this sound right? Will they be motivated to biased review? Who is checking the inspections they perform? Are they perfect? Not according to MSFH which there own audits show a spotty track record when this entity was performing inspections for them. If it smells bad to you, it probably is.

This is just the tip of the ice berg, the language on this proposed form that still allows the MSFH inspectors to sign is ridiculous, there is no MSFH anymore. By law the program expired on June 30, 2009; so who are they accountable to? Who regulates them? the language that states "other qualified entity" was not put there for Inter Nachi, it is designed so that the WCE's could comfortably recruit unqualified non-licensed people so they can fulfill the massive volume of work they are expecting since Nachi certified inspectors won't work for $50.00, and it is not easy and most of the time impossible to have a licensed professional work for that as well. This is an unfair competitive advantage too.

I will be there on the 21st, I strongly advise anyone and everyone to join me in a show of force to try to stop this atrocity.

Regards to all,

Jose’ F. Uz, Ph.D., CRC, CPO, CHI, CHC, M-NFPA, FHA INSP., Fellow of the ABI and Proud member of InterNachi
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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Thomas Jefferson 1787

[Jose F. Uz]

Originally Posted by jshishilla

I take them all the time, just look for exposed SWR. The right angle will give you a reflection. There are a couple of other tricks too.

Exposure of SWR is not a fact all the time, sometimes you may have decking constructed of T & G or the OSB or Plywood may have been installed without spacing or H-clips. How about peel and stick instead of foam. They also want assurances on ALL roof to wall connections, is this really possible--ALL.

This is all by design.

Regards,

Jose'

[Ed Bancroft]

Jose
Excellent history lesson.............not very encouraging...........but well wriiten

thanks
ed

[Jose F. Uz]

Originally Posted by ebancroft

Jose
Excellent history lesson.............not very encouraging...........but well wriiten

thanks
ed

Thank you Ed,

DO NOT think for a moment that InterNachi or I are turning away from this issue and are not preparing ourselves for the good fight. Trust me in that you will see, keep your eyes and ears open and keep checking this thread regularly.

To quote our very good friend Nick “Ah ye of little faith” That is all FOR NOW !!!!

Regard,

Jose'

[Ed Bancroft]

Jose,
I am going to try and be there for the meeting if it is open to public. I'm obviously not in the Wind Mit Biz at this point, but would like to see whats happening in person.
The more Inspection Businesses that show up the better!

ed

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by juz

Thank you Ed,

DO NOT think for a moment that InterNachi or I are turning away from this issue and are not preparing ourselves for the good fight. Trust me in that you will see, keep your eyes and ears open and keep checking this thread regularly.

To quote our very good friend Nick “Ah ye of little faith” That is all FOR NOW !!!!

Regard,

Jose'

Jose', feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but your previous failed attempt to take action against the MSFH program had nothing what so ever to do with home inspectors, your beef was that the MSFH program expanded the market of who could perform wind MIT inspections beyond the usual list of suspects (CGCs, PE's, AIA's et al) I find it interesting that your few number of posts in this forum containing your thoughts on both the MSFH issue and the 1802 form do in no way promote HI's?

Comments?

Gerry

[Jose F. Uz]

Originally Posted by gbeaumont

Jose', feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but your previous failed attempt to take action against the MSFH program had nothing what so ever to do with home inspectors, your beef was that the MSFH program expanded the market of who could perform wind MIT inspections beyond the usual list of suspects (CGCs, PE's, AIA's et al) I find it interesting that your few number of posts in this forum containing your thoughts on both the MSFH issue and the 1802 form do in no way promote HI's?

Comments?

Gerry

Yeah you’re wrong in the spin that you've given this issue and my position. First let me make this very clear I am a 101% an InterNachi advocate and promoter, this is very clear to Nick as well as it is very clear to the hundreds if not thousands of students I have instructed throughout the State of Florida. I have even encouraged licensed contractors and other construction professionals to associate themselves with InterNachi. This was obvious at the stakeholders meeting in Margate Florida were I was honored and humbled by the applause and support I received from my piers, Nick was there he can tell you. Second you make a statement that seems to be intended to discourage some from joining the fight. You say my “last failed attempt”. What do you know!!! You weren’t there you didn’t lift a finger for yourself or anyone else. You state that my fight was “that the MSFH program expanded the market of who could perform wind MIT inspections beyond the usual list of suspects (CGCs, PE's, AIA's et al)” that’s a lie my fight was to eliminate from any consideration to the MSFH inspectors from authority of signing the form, as it is still my position today. Jesus the program doesn’t even exists anymore it expired on June 30, 2009. My position was to stop a monopoly infringing on our rights. If I failed then answer why are we still in the fight one year later, when what they wanted last year was a new inspection form effective Jan 09’ which was the buzz around the market created by the WCE’s that would allow them open and unlimited rights to perform and sign off on the OIR form while restricting everyone else. That didn’t really happen now did it? If I would have failed back then why are they still trying again now? What is this hearing about, maybe a renewed effort at a monopoly? If I failed why were the MSFH inspectors placed as Inactive and now there’s a renewed interest in allowing them to be signers. What I stated before and will again is –there training is substandard and they can not be on an even playing field with licensed professionals or real home inspectors. Informed inspectors with just a little common sense can see through this. Nice try, but those who know me—know what I’m about.

With that said; I don't know what motivates you to try to tarnish the only proactive individual that try's to bring Home Inspectors together and unite them under a single worthy cause "Freedom". Freedom to exercise there constitutional right to work, to not be subjected to abusively low fee's and be enslaved by a few that control and monopolize and use this unfairly obtained wealth and power along with the compounding effects of the economy to exploit us. What's so concerning to you about myself or InterNachi fighting special interest to protect and insure the fair treatment of home inspectors, there prosperity and abilities to continue there long time tradition of free enterprise. The misinformation and environment that has been created as an attempt to make InterNachi appear to be substandard to the MSFH and the WCE training and capabilities, when we all know it is totally the opposite. Whose side are you on????

Please do not try to create a distraction from the real issue, you’re only helping the opposition that is working against the interests of InterNachi and it’s members, you either want equality and freedom to work independently or you favor a monopoly of only 9 companies controlling an entire sector of our market and letting InterNachi inspectors eat from there scraps.

All members and citizens have a choice, to be submissive and obedient or to stand up for there rights and challenge wrongful actions by the few. Our founding fathers had this same choice; thank god they decided to stand up and unite rather than lay down and take it. I’ll tell you what; lets ask Nick our founder what’s his feeling and post it hear. At this point everyone need to pick a side, what’s yours?

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Thomas Jefferson 1787

Jose'

[Jose F. Uz]

Originally Posted by ebancroft

Jose,
I am going to try and be there for the meeting if it is open to public. I'm obviously not in the Wind Mit Biz at this point, but would like to see whats happening in person.
The more Inspection Businesses that show up the better!

ed

It is a PUBLIC hearing and it is your right to participate, remember this issue is to probably be the beginning of a bad precedence, once if they succeed in making this is the accepted way of doing business--how long do you think it will be before they move in to other sectors of the inspection industry, how long before you have to work for them??

Looking forward to meeting you there.

Jose'

[Greg Bell]

Originally Posted by juz

Yeah you’re wrong in the spin that you've given this issue and my position. First let me make this very clear I am a 101% an InterNachi advocate and promoter, this is very clear to Nick as well as it is very clear to the hundreds if not thousands of students I have instructed throughout the State of Florida. I have even encouraged licensed contractors and other construction professionals to associate themselves with InterNachi. This was obvious at the stakeholders meeting in Margate Florida were I was honored and humbled by the applause and support I received from my piers, Nick was there he can tell you. Second you make a statement that seems to be intended to discourage some from joining the fight. You say my “last failed attempt”. What do you know!!! You weren’t there you didn’t lift a finger for yourself or anyone else. You state that my fight was “that the MSFH program expanded the market of who could perform wind MIT inspections beyond the usual list of suspects (CGCs, PE's, AIA's et al)” that’s a lie my fight was to eliminate from any consideration to the MSFH inspectors from authority of signing the form, as it is still my position today. Jesus the program doesn’t even exists anymore it expired on June 30, 2009. My position was to stop a monopoly infringing on our rights. If I failed then answer why are we still in the fight one year later, when what they wanted last year was a new inspection form effective Jan 09’ which was the buzz around the market created by the WCE’s that would allow them open and unlimited rights to perform and sign off on the OIR form while restricting everyone else. That didn’t really happen now did it? If I would have failed back then why are they still trying again now? What is this hearing about, maybe a renewed effort at a monopoly? If I failed why were the MSFH inspectors placed as Inactive and now there’s a renewed interest in allowing them to be signers. What I stated before and will again is –there training is substandard and they can not be on an even playing field with licensed professionals or real home inspectors. Informed inspectors with just a little common sense can see through this. Nice try, but those who know me—know what I’m about.

With that said; I don't know what motivates you to try to tarnish the only proactive individual that tries to bring Home Inspectors together and unite them under a single worthy cause "Freedom". Freedom to exercise there constitutional right to work, to not be subjected to abusively low fee's and be enslaved by a few that control and monopolize and use this unfairly obtained wealth and power along with the compounding effects of the economy to exploit us. What's so concerning to you about myself or InterNachi fighting special interest to protect and insure the fair treatment of home inspectors, there prosperity and abilities to continue there long time tradition of free enterprise. The misinformation and environment that has been created as an attempt to make InterNachi appear to be substandard to the MSFH and the WCE training and capabilities, when we all know it is totally the opposite. Whose side are you on????

Please do not try to create a distraction from the real issue, you’re only helping the opposition that is working against the interests of InterNachi and it’s members, you either want equality and freedom to work independently or you favor a monopoly of only 9 companies controlling an entire sector of our market and letting InterNachi inspectors eat from there scraps.

All members and citizens have a choice, to be submissive and obedient or to stand up for there rights and challenge wrongful actions by the few. Our founding fathers had this same choice; thank god they decided to stand up and unite rather than lay down and take it. I’ll tell you what; lets ask Nick our founder what’s his feeling and post it hear. At this point everyone need to pick a side, what’s yours?

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent their government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

Thomas Jefferson 1787

Jose'

It is hard to take someone serious when they don't know the difference between There and Their.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by juz

Yeah you’re wrong in the spin that you've given this issue and my position. First let me make this very clear I am a 101% an InterNachi advocate and promoter, this is very clear to Nick as well as it is very clear to the hundreds if not thousands of students I have instructed throughout the State of Florida. I have even encouraged licensed contractors and other construction professionals to associate themselves with InterNachi. This was obvious at the stakeholders meeting in Margate Florida were I was honored and humbled by the applause and support I received from my piers, Nick was there he can tell you. Second you make a statement that seems to be intended to discourage some from joining the fight. You say my “last failed attempt”. What do you know!!! You weren’t there you didn’t lift a finger for yourself or anyone else. You state that my fight was “that the MSFH program expanded the market of who could perform wind MIT inspections beyond the usual list of suspects (CGCs, PE's, AIA's et al)” that’s a lie my fight was to eliminate from any consideration to the MSFH inspectors from authority of signing the form, as it is still my position today. Jesus the program doesn’t even exists anymore it expired on June 30, 2009. My position was to stop a monopoly infringing on our rights. If I failed then answer why are we still in the fight one year later, when what they wanted last year was a new inspection form effective Jan 09’ which was the buzz around the market created by the WCE’s that would allow them open and unlimited rights to perform and sign off on the OIR form while restricting everyone else. That didn’t really happen now did it? If I would have failed back then why are they still trying again now? What is this hearing about, maybe a renewed effort at a monopoly? If I failed why were the MSFH inspectors placed as Inactive and now there’s a renewed interest in allowing them to be signers. What I stated before and will again is –there training is substandard and they can not be on an even playing field with licensed professionals or real home inspectors. Informed inspectors with just a little common sense can see through this. Nice try, but those who know me—know what I’m about.

With that said; I don't know what motivates you to try to tarnish the only proactive individual that try's to bring Home Inspectors together and unite them under a single worthy cause "Freedom". Freedom to exercise there constitutional right to work, to not be subjected to abusively low fee's and be enslaved by a few that control and monopolize and use this unfairly obtained wealth and power along with the compounding effects of the economy to exploit us. What's so concerning to you about myself or InterNachi fighting special interest to protect and insure the fair treatment of home inspectors, there prosperity and abilities to continue there long time tradition of free enterprise. The misinformation and environment that has been created as an attempt to make InterNachi appear to be substandard to the MSFH and the WCE training and capabilities, when we all know it is totally the opposite. Whose side are you on????

Please do not try to create a distraction from the real issue, you’re only helping the opposition that is working against the interests of InterNachi and it’s members, you either want equality and freedom to work independently or you favor a monopoly of only 9 companies controlling an entire sector of our market and letting InterNachi inspectors eat from there scraps.

All members and citizens have a choice, to be submissive and obedient or to stand up for there rights and challenge wrongful actions by the few. Our founding fathers had this same choice; thank god they decided to stand up and unite rather than lay down and take it. I’ll tell you what; lets ask Nick our founder what’s his feeling and post it hear. At this point everyone need to pick a side, what’s yours?



Jose'

Interesting Jose' looks like I hit the intended nerve

Your quote:

I spearheaded a movement last December with the FES (Fl engineering society) the Florida *** of consulting engineers, several firms involved in the inspection market which are also Nachi members and several attorneys.

I'd be very interested to know who you were talking to last year as you didn't decide to make iNACHI your pulpit until Feb of this year. Remember this, the state and insurance entities will simply not deal with hundreds of small inspection companies that is why they contracted with entities who have the management and QA sklls to deliver finished product. As to your contention that you are the saving grace of INACHI members in this state, you are simply showing your ignorance. I very much doubt that anyone has done more than I to promote iNACHI members in this area, and many members here will attest to that.

I find you self serving at best

Regards

Gerry

[Jose F. Uz]

Come on Greg you've never had a typo? I didn't proof read it sorry for that I hope it wasn't offensive.
Gerry, it seems that everything you write about this issue is either gloom and doom pessimistic on any chance for InterNachi inclusion or opportunity. Maybe you've promoted interNachi in your area but how about a little support. You seem to have the same point of view and position as the WCE's. Are you saying that they have better software capabilities than InterNachi? well I still believe in the InterNachi inspectors and InterNachi's capabilities. I tend to hold to the dream of independence and opportunity for ALL.
I can't help but wonder why? what exactly is in it for you if the WCE's get this done? I was warned about InterNachi members in bed with these guy's, I wonder--are you one? why? what is so wrong about InterNachi inspectors that you support everything on this issue that goes against the very fabric of what InterNachi stands for.
WOW--Self Serving, I use my time and my money to fight for ALL, not only for me. This is very offensive, the only one's that are self serving and are closing any opportunities for everyone are the companies you never seem to have anything to say about. I feel sorry for you and anyone else that actually listens to you, I guess you are a believer of "Hope & Change" too. Keep believing; at the end that’s what you'll have, I’m very busy working on something productive and I will not entertain these distractions any further.
Good luck to you, and if God willing everything goes well for the InterNachi inspectors you’ll still benefit from the outcome, maybe I should have played both sides of the fence; No !! on second thought can‘t do that, its that ethics thing that haunts me.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by juz

Come on Greg you've never had a typo? I didn't proof read it sorry for that I hope it wasn't offensive.
Gerry, it seems that everything you write about this issue is either gloom and doom pessimistic on any chance for InterNachi inclusion or opportunity. Maybe you've promoted interNachi in your area but how about a little support. You seem to have the same point of view and position as the WCE's. Are you saying that they have better software capabilities than InterNachi? well I still believe in the InterNachi inspectors and InterNachi's capabilities. I tend to hold to the dream of independence and opportunity for ALL.
I can't help but wonder why? what exactly is in it for you if the WCE's get this done? I was warned about InterNachi members in bed with these guy's, I wonder--are you one? why? what is so wrong about InterNachi inspectors that you support everything on this issue that goes against the very fabric of what InterNachi stands for.
WOW--Self Serving, I use my time and my money to fight for ALL, not only for me. This is very offensive, the only one's that are self serving and are closing any opportunities for everyone are the companies you never seem to have anything to say about. I feel sorry for you and anyone else that actually listens to you, I guess you are a believer of "Hope & Change" too. Keep believing; at the end that’s what you'll have, I’m very busy working on something productive and I will not entertain these distractions any further.
Good luck to you, and if God willing everything goes well for the InterNachi inspectors you’ll still benefit from the outcome, maybe I should have played both sides of the fence; No !! on second thought can‘t do that, its that ethics thing that haunts me.

Jose' thanks for confirming my worst fears about you! now here's what you don't know and aren't bright enough to go find. Yes I have relationships with many former WCE's these relationships have benefited hundreds of iNACHI inspectors over the last 5 years (One instance alone generated 14,000 inspections for iNACHI members after Hurricane Wilma, all done by InterNACHI members) I have also lobbied most of the former WCE's to use iNACHI members and have had much success with that.

As for the MSFH program (which I was never a fan of) I worked my *** of to get iNACHI members front and center of that program, at the same time you were pursuing actions against the state for restraint of YOUR trade as a P.E NOT as a home inspector!!

I'm sorry if you feel I am a shill for the former WCE's in plain fact I have for a very long time been a shill for the HI's. You still have yet to refute that your actions against the state were driven by anything other than protecting YOUR business as an Engineer.

As to anyones ability to perform insurance inspections of any type read several of my posts over the past 3 years!! I believe HI's are the best placed to do this work, but that isn't the end of the story, the insurance entities will only contract with companies with a proven track record of management skills, oversight and QA, iNACHI never had a dog in the race, the fact that (in hindsight) we could have developed systems and software to compete is not relevant, we didn't........... we lost. PERIOD.

As I said before this time last year you were taking actions to protect your business not that of most HI's here in Florida.

Get a grip on reality before you call me out again

Regards

Gerry

[Jose F. Uz]

What a waste of my time, I have been in the HOME INSPECTION BUSINESS since 1992, engineering and surveying are secondary--try getting your facts straight. I don't care what you say, InterNachi has much larger and better informational capabilities than all the WCE's put together. What the WCE's do have they got from the MSFH program millions they received. About track record, try reading some of MSFH audits they show a spotty record at best.
If your fears have been answered what about mine---your a traitor to your own profession. What did you successfully lobby for? having InterNachi inspectors become puppets and slaves for $50.00, nice job.
I may not win, the truth is they have a lot more money and are able to do a lot with it. Not always does good prevail although many would like to think so. But I can always stand up anyplace at anytime and my piers will always know I fought against the odds never selling out, never cowering out. Even less sabotaging any legitimate challenge.

Shameful.

[gbeaumont]

Originally Posted by juz

What a waste of my time, I have been in the HOME INSPECTION BUSINESS since 1992, engineering and surveying are secondary--try getting your facts straight. I don't care what you say, InterNachi has much larger and better informational capabilities than all the WCE's put together. What the WCE's do have they got from the MSFH program millions they received. About track record, try reading some of MSFH audits they show a spotty record at best.
If your fears have been answered what about mine---your a traitor to your own profession. What did you successfully lobby for? having InterNachi inspectors become puppets and slaves for $50.00, nice job.
I may not win, the truth is they have a lot more money and are able to do a lot with it. Not always does good prevail although many would like to think so. But I can always stand up anyplace at anytime and my piers will always know I fought against the odds never selling out, never cowering out. Even less sabotaging any legitimate challenge.

Shameful.

Thanks for playing Jose'

BTW you still have not addressed any of the topics I asked you about have you???

Regards

Gerry