NH inspectors

[Peter C. Russell]

Your right Chris, it adds up quick. I see no reason why the NACHI test once proctored would not be excepted, actually between taking the test online and prior work experience along with grandfathering I see now problem for us who have been doing this for more than a year. Moving forward, I think NACHI has some great educational programs that should be included for CEUs.

I think if we have a different attitude towards this things will be more productive, we all know the value of our programs and the yearly test, let's present it to the board and start getting some NACHI education approved.

[Gary L. Farnsworth, CMI]

I am new to NACHI, but have performed over 3,000 inspections since 2002. Before that, I spent 30 years as a food inspector, manager, buyer for the largest food distributor in the world, and home builder. Anyway, I joined NACHI because I heard that it was going to be required in Kansas. Not anymore. So, just putting in my two cents before I get out of the business. I will not be bullied, pushed around, or abide by sub-par rules, regulations, over $3,000 of educational requirements in Kansas, and the poorest SOP's ever written. My job, as it always has been, is to take care of the customer. If I cannot do that, why am I doing this? Taking tests does not make a good home inspector; I don't care who's tests you take. You cannot beat actual experience. Any person coming out of college barely makes it in the corporate world. They are clueless. Until they gain the needed experience, inspectors, too, are clueless.

By the way, when my former employer let me go to hire a younger person, they lost 50% of their business. They have yet to gain that back; millions where lost in sales. The person replacing me was clueless. You guys in New Hampshire need to keep the heat on. It works. Educate the young guys. They will come to your side.

[Joe Farsetta]

My point is that as things are being reviewed and developed by the licensing board, it would be imprudent for any member to publicly discuss Board policy in a public forum such as this. It could easily be construed as Carla speaking for the entire Board, when in fact she is not and can not.

Cut her some slack, guys.

They are all new at this.

My suggestion is for InterNACHI and NACHI-NH to have a true plan for getting into the ame. The deck is already stacked. Rhetoric will get you nowhere.

You need to fill the gaps before they swallow you whole as inspectors, members, and businessmen.

Pick the low-hanging fruit ad build your position and base.

1st issue of the day is gaining acceptance of the InterNACHI proctored exam with te Board, or bring it to the attention of the legislature that they will not accept the exam for no valid reson.

[Devin Bolduc]

As I see it....

Step one is the filing of the HI Pre-Licensing Course Application by InterNACHI which I believe is in the process of being done. NH RSA mandates what needs to be addressed. Procedure outlines that other organizations need to file apps. for education but I see nothing concerning exams.

At this time it appears that some procedures are incorrect probably due to lack of a method to correct the problems and knowledge of alternatives. As Frank has pointed out the NHIE is incorrect procedure which leaves the board in a position with no apparent correct procedural solution at this time, there is no such exam which meets the criteria that the board knows of or it would have been chosen. This doe not mean one doesn't exist or could be derived from existing exams.

I believe InterNACHI can and is willing to fill this void. The unbiased INACHI test is the entry exam format which has no benefit to INACHI even if it is the same format as the HI exam which could arguably be beneficial to INACHI. Semantics no doubt but we know how that works. Anyone can take the entry exam free of charge with no obligation to do anything at all afterwards. It can be used as a learning tool by members of any organization with no benefit at all to INACHI.

Even if all of this does not directly affect grandfathering it does affect future HI.

[Devin Bolduc]

Agreed Chris. That is what government does, controls the population for a fee, results are not important. More laws will just be added with more fees, not to worry.

[Peter C. Russell]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

My point is that as things are being reviewed and developed by the licensing board, it would be imprudent for any member to publicly discuss Board policy in a public forum such as this. It could easily be construed as Carla speaking for the entire Board, when in fact she is not and can not.

Cut her some slack, guys.

They are all new at this.

My suggestion is for InterNACHI and NACHI-NH to have a true plan for getting into the ame. The deck is already stacked. Rhetoric will get you nowhere.

You need to fill the gaps before they swallow you whole as inspectors, members, and businessmen.

Pick the low-hanging fruit ad build your position and base.

1st issue of the day is gaining acceptance of the InterNACHI proctored exam with te Board, or bring it to the attention of the legislature that they will not accept the exam for no valid reson.

Thank you Joe, for your words of reason.

[Carla Horne]

Guys,
read the damn rules!
The "NHIE or it's equivalent" is in the grandfathering provision. So if you have been in business since one year prior to July1, 2008 (which would be July 1, 2007) then submit the results of the test that you have taken, with the rest of the required docs. with, yes, your 200 whopping dollars
and move on.
The NHIE is the one exam required for new candidates. This is dictated by the statute. And yes it is independant.......
And by the way INACH, I am sure is working on submitting courses to the NH Board.
All of this energy could be spent on positive rather than negative and things would be much nicer.
Thank you Joe for your kind words and intelligence
Carla

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by chorne

Guys,
read the damn rules!
The "NHIE or it's equivalent" is in the grandfathering provision. So if you have been in business since one year prior to July1, 2008 (which would be July 1, 2007) then submit the results of the test that you have taken, with the rest of the required docs. with, yes, your 200 whopping dollars
and move on.
The NHIE is the one exam required for new candidates. This is dictated by the statute. And yes it is independant.......
And by the way INACH, I am sure is working on submitting courses to the NH Board.
All of this energy could be spent on positive rather than negative and things would be much nicer.
Thank you Joe for your kind words and intelligence
Carla

The NHIE is "independent".

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by chorne

Guys,
The NHIE is the one exam required for new candidates.

This is dictated by the statute. And yes it is independant.......

Carla

Quote Carla Horn:
And yes it is independant
End Quote:

Carla,
I have some questions for you....
1. Have you gone to this Federal Website?

2. Have you seen that ASHI owns the NHIE?

If you have.... you will see that ASHI owns the NHIE. So..... how can you say that the ASHI owned test is independent?


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NHIE
Goods and Services
IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: preparing, administering, and scoring a standardized test in the form of written examinations taken by professional home inspectors to determine their qualifications for association membership and state licensing. FIRST USE: 20000301. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20000301


Mark Drawing Code
(1) TYPED DRAWING

Serial Number
76099552


Filing Date
July 31, 2000

Current Filing Basis
1A


Original Filing Basis
1A


Published for Opposition
January 8, 2002


Registration Number
2555205


Registration Date
April 2, 2002


Owner (REGISTRANT)
American Society of Home Inspectors, Inc. CORPORATION NEW YORK 800 E NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, SUITE 700 PALATINE ILLINOIS 60074

(LAST LISTED OWNER)
EXAMINATION BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL HOME INSPECTORS, INC. CORPORATION NEW YORK 800 E NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, SUITE 700 PALATINE ILLINOIS 60074

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

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Word Mark EBPHI

Goods and Services
IC 042. US 100 101. G & S:
Preparing, administering, and scoring of standardized tests, namely, the administration of the national examination for professional home inspectors.

FIRST USE: 20000301. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20000301

Mark Drawing Code(1) TYPED DRAWINGSerial Number76082249

Filing DateJuly 3, 2000Current

Filing Basis1A

Original Filing Basis1A

Published for Opposition January 1, 2002

Registration Number2551987

Registration Date: March 26, 2002
Owner (REGISTRANT)

American Society of Home Inspectors, Inc. CORPORATION NEW YORK 932 Lee Street SUITE 101 DES PLAINS ILLINOIS 60016

Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED

Attorney of Record Melissa A. Vallone

Type of Mark SERVICE MARK

Register PRINCIPAL

Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).

Live/Dead IndicatorLIVE

[Michael Larson]

Frank,

Have you forgotten his post.

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/quest...tml#post412075

[Devin Bolduc]

I'm wondering if the interpretation of "Independent" is meant to be not state owned, operated,run or administered.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Frank,

Have you forgotten his post.

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/quest...tml#post412075

As a matter of fact ..... yes!
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbowers
Why do you say that, the guy said they cut all ties back in 2001. Its a completely neutral, 3rd party organization - not tied to any association.

Quote Frank Carrio {See post #44} :
Not Tied to any association?

Do a Google search on the "NHIE Trademark name", see who it REALLY belongs to.....Check out the "EBPHI trademark name".......better yet... on the following names of the Board of Directors of the EBPHI.

• See how many are tied to ASHI.

Also.... Check out the past "ASHI work history" on Noe Zak!

Exam Development - NHIE Clients - EBPHI Board of Directors - Special Information for Regulators
About Us
Board of Directors
The EBPHI Board of Directors is responsible for determination and implementation of all polices and programs of the organization such as test development vendor selection, hiring of the chief staff officer, approving and monitoring budgets, and strategic planning. The Board of Directors does not have a hands-on role in development and item writing processes for the National Home Inspector Examination.

2008 Board of Directors

President
Scott Patterson
Trace Inspections
Spring Hill, TN

Vice President
Brian Murphy
Murphy Home Inspection Services, Inc.
Highlands Ranch, CO

Secretary
Jim Funkhouser
Fairfax Home Inspections, Inc.
Manassas Park, VA

Treasurer
Don Lovering
Advantage Home Inspection, Inc.
Wellesley, MA
Directors

Fred Buck
King Inspections, Inc.
San Antonio, TX

Hugh Kelso
HKI, Inc. Building Inspections
Seattle, WA

Howard Pegelow
H.A. Pegelow Inspections
Milwaukee, WI

Public Members {She gets a free pass}
Barbara Showers, PhD
Former Director of Examinations,
Wisconsin Department of Regulation & Licensing

Madison, WI

Now that you have checked the NHIE & EBPHI trademark names and the background of the Board of Directors for the EBPHI / NHIE can you really tell me that they and the NHIE have "No ties" to ASHI?

I want to make one thing clear..... I do NOT care that the NHIE and the EBPHI are part of ASHI.... I just do not like it when they deny the facts and lie about their past history!
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[Joe Farsetta]

Frank,

You are not getting it. You're not gettng it at all.

For all the effort at defeating this legislation, the measure still passed as written.

For all the effort at alleging that the NHIE is not independent, the measure and provisions still passed.

For all the questions hurled at Carla, she has provided an answer which at least addresses the challenges and fears of those who seek grandfathering. More than that, she cannot provide.

Please read the handwriting on the wall. Our allegedly staunchest supporter in the NH legislature, Angelina Kopka, is seen in a photo op supporting the legislation.

It is time to learn the rules of engagement and work to help ensure compliance. The rest is just noise.

We have lost the battle... let's not lose the war.

[Dennis R. Goudreau]

Originally Posted by cmcdonald

Peter,
you said it!
In other words:

Before licensing:
$102 (approx. state registration)

After licensing:
$102 (approx. state registration)
$250 (approx. state required test)
$200 (state license application)
$ 25 (state background check)
$??? (Insurance)
$??? (state required stamp/seal-See below #1)
Total to be in business paid to the state: At least $577

Add to that the cost of changing all business materials to include license number/info.

So, in these times of economic hardship and business layoffs, I'm am so appreciative of the boards understanding by requiring all of these extra fees.

Chris McDonald


#1)Home 305.03 Licensed Home Inspector Seal/Stamp/License Number.
(a) Upon issuance by the Board of a license to an applicant as a licensed home inspector, require the licensee shall acquire an impression type seal or rubber stamp of the design approved by these rules and submit the seal to the board for approval. This seal shall bear the licensee's name and number as shown on the license.

live Free or Die on the stamp