Not allowing asbestos sampling

[James E. Braun, CMI]

No not really. You just need to wet an area and scrap the popcorn off, usually in a closet is the best area.

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by jbraun

...You just need to wet an area and scrap the popcorn off, usually in a closet is the best area.

If the sample taken comes back absent of asbestos, is that sample representative of the entire ceiling?

[Bob Elliott]

Originally Posted by rcooke

This only works on a ceiling that has not been painted .

What do you do now that the ceiling has been damaged .

Who pays to restore it to the way it was .

This can get very expensive.

Best way would be to have a portion of the sale withheld equivalent to the cost of abatement.
This would be released contingent on results.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

If the sample taken comes back absent of asbestos, is that sample representative of the entire ceiling?

When have you ever sprayed ceiling texture and used different medium throughout the home?
Any testing is representative of that area only; same as taking a tape or swap sample of mold. Representative sampling is only recommended if the preliminary samples come up as Asbestos.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Popcorn finish will scrape off a painted ceiling.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Roy, I use to be a general contractor. I have scrapped off several ceilings that had painted over popcorn finish. People who do not like the popcorm finish can just wet it down and it scapes right off.

[James E. Braun, CMI]

Okay, you won!

[Linas Dapkus]

Originally Posted by jbraun

Roy, I use to be a general contractor. I have scrapped off several ceilings that had painted over popcorn finish. People who do not like the popcorm finish can just wet it down and it scapes right off.

You can remove mold the same way. Just spray some bleach on it and wipe it off.

[James F. McKee]

Originally Posted by ldapkus1

You can remove mold the same way. Just spray some bleach on it and wipe it off.

just don't lick it !

[James E. Braun, CMI]

No Linas, lick away.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

My nephew is a high end painting contractor. Removing popcorn is a normal part of his business BUT, if it has been painted the price goes way up. It takes much more labor in terms of hours in order to scrape a sealed popcorn ceiling as it does not accept water.

If the ceiling is tested and the person now has confirmation of asbestos, they may be required to follow specific laws in regards to removal and disposal of the asbestos containing materials. The easiest method? Have new 1/2 drywall installed and seal it up completely.

[Joseph Tribuzio]

Originally Posted by belliott

Best way would be to have a portion of the sale withheld equivalent to the cost of abatement.
This would be released contingent on results.

That is usually what i suggest to client.

[Joseph Tribuzio]

Originally Posted by dbowers

Joseph -

To start ARE you state licensed as an ACM inspector in Illinois?
Where I'm at the CURRENT homeowner can take samples BUT nobody else can without ACM certification / license or $10,000 fine.

Next - SOME inspections are considered INTRUSIVE or DESTRUCTIVE, such as me drilling holes in Stucco or EIFS, OR me cutting out paint chips for lead paint testing, OR me cutting insulation off Boiler pipes AND I would NEED sellers permission to do so EVEN though my RE Contract says buyer can test anything. AND if seller DOES NOT want any INTRUSIVE or DESTRUCTIVE tests they DO NOT have to allow it.

So where are you in this?????

Nothing i do would be intrusive or destructive, and if it necessarily had to be it would be with full ok by sellers and i'd most likely sub it to a specialist OR put language in report asking seller for a test. Ultimately, i'd request that the cost of mitigation be determined by a licensed qualified and competent contractor and that amount held in escrow, pending results of a test.

Though there doesn't seem to be an Illinois law against SAMPLING, for LAB ANALYSIS.

DAN, ARE YOU AN ACM LICENSED INSPECTOR ? How do you know about that big fine? Also, do you go about your inspection sampling everything you mentioned?