Question for NHIE Advocates...

[Joe Farsetta]

InterNACHI 56
ASHI 9
The mini association out of Minneapolis 3
CREIA 2
FABI 1

We don't have to work with anyone. It's the 4th quarter, we're way ahead, and all we have to do is run out the clock now

I dont understand this... What does this mean?

The only perturbing comment is this one:

all we have to do is run out the clock now

This makes no sense. We are already larger, but to the homebuying community, there may be little in the way of pushing them to use NACHI members over others. If ASHI and NAHI dried up late this afternoon, it would mean little in the way of new business for our existing member base.

I dont understand the mentality of the ASSOCIATION winning the battle, versus the inspector winning.

If this was the Superbowl, we could help you win the Vince Lombardi trophy, but in the end, each individual player gets some serious $$ for the effort.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

I dont understand the mentality of the ASSOCIATION winning the battle, versus the inspector winning.

I had the same problem until Nick explained it to me when describing the Kansas law that has damaged home inspectors, consumers and the industry.

He acknowledged that it is bad for the inspector, bad for the consumer -- but good for NACHI.

Until that explanation, I had always assumed that NACHI and the inspector shared the same interests in the same industry. Nick made it clear that we don't.

In an odd way, Nick seems to perceive that what harms home inspectors and consumers is good for NACHI for (he thinks) it increases the value of the so-called "benefits" he offers.

It is an odd, disgusting and imaginary paradox.

[Nick Gromicko]

But it is true.

I'm sorry you just heard this now, I've been saying it for years and you can find it over and over on the archived message board.

I'll say it again:

Licensing generally harms inspectors, harms consumers, harms ASHI (as their bogus credential is replaced by a bogus state-issued credential, ASHI has no other membership benefits), helps schools (as school attendance is required to get a license), helps newbies (as they all get equally licensed as veterans and agents begin pointing to the licensed list instead of recommending the best inspectors based on merit), harms veterans (as they now have to compete with more newbies carrying the same license as they carry), harms individual InterNACHI members (as it nearly triples the number of inspectors in the state), and helps InterNACHI the association (as it nearly triples the number of inspectors in the state which makes InterNACHI's success tools much more necessary for survival).

[Brian E. Kelly]

A guy with ten years of experience before licensing is still a guy with ten years of experience after licensing. He will usually have a good reputation and following in his area of Home Inspections. A guy with a brand new license will have little or no influence on an established inspectors business.

And the beauty of this discussion is Nick will never be able to provide verifiable statistics for any argument to disprove my claim.

[Nick Gromicko]

I generally agree. The battle is in the middle. Nothing can much harm the very best. Nothing can much help the very worst.

[Nick Gromicko]

Where an established inspector is harmed by a new inspector is in direct marketing to consumers who look to the state list of licensed inspectors and have no experience with either inspector to compare the two... and so often give the nod to the inspector with the best marketing skills, and that inspector is often not the inspector with the best technical skills.

A newbie armed with strong marketing can take some jobs away from an experienced veteran with less than strong marketing skills.

[Nick Gromicko]

Now quoting myself:

A newbie armed with strong marketing can take some jobs away from an experienced veteran with less than strong marketing skills.

Alone, that is not so bad for the experienced veteran and the veteran's business won't be horribly harmed by a newbie with strong marketing skills.

However, here is where it gets rough for the veteran. When licensing causes schools to open up on every block, each pumping out desperate newbies, each waving the same state license as the veteran inspector has.

One newbie competitor with strong marketing skills can't do much damage. Two can't. Three can't. But a dozen can.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Now quoting myself:

Alone, that is not so bad for the experienced veteran and the veteran's business won't be horribly harmed by a newbie with strong marketing skills.

However, here is where it gets rough for the veteran. When licensing causes schools to open up on every block, each pumping out desperate newbies, each waving the same state license as the veteran inspector has.

One newbie competitor with strong marketing skills can't do much damage. Two can't. Three can't. But a dozen can.

We don't have that problem in Texas, Nick.

[Dan Bowers, CMI]

Jeffery -

A few posts back you said:

"The fact that many states are opting to enact HI laws is indicative of itself that there is a need to regulate our industry because we are not doing it ourselves.....there is too much inter fighting between associations of which many of the difference are valid".

"As time goes by, legislation to more and more states based upon the amount of growth a state experiences and the relationship that growth has in regards to complaints by the public".

Jeff


Very innocently said - but untrue. Many states are being pushed into home inspector legislation by the NAR's national legislative agenda - one of the top priorities has been licensing home inspectors. This is done for 2 main reasons ... Control and Shifting Liability.

The 2nd driving force in the past several years has been ASHI and their old "3rd party susidiary" EBPHI / NHIE and their need to pay the bills.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

[quote=dbowers;416118]Jeffery -

A few posts back you said:

"The fact that many states are opting to enact HI laws is indicative of itself that there is a need to regulate our industry because we are not doing it ourselves.....there is too much inter fighting between associations of which many of the difference are valid".

"As time goes by, legislation to more and more states based upon the amount of growth a state experiences and the relationship that growth has in regards to complaints by the public".

Jeff


Very innocently said - but untrue. Many states are being pushed into home inspector legislation by the NAR's national legislative agenda - one of the top priorities has been licensing home inspectors. This is done for 2 main reasons ... Control and Shifting Liability.

The 2nd driving force in the past several years has been ASHI and their old "3rd party susidiary" EBPHI / NHIE and their need to pay the bills.[/quote]

Agreed!